[arista]

Over 5 years
38 dead.

As they stayed in their
Cars on the Road
assuming that a X would appear
and drivers would notice it.

There was a BBC Panorama on this,

[Livia]

The hard shoulder of a motorway is a really dangerous place at the best of times. Taking that away and making it a lane is insanity. And they call it "smart"!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

The hard shoulder of a motorway is a really dangerous place at the best of times. Taking that away and making it a lane is insanity. And they call it "smart"!

But at least if you break down
the hard shoulder you car can go on - safe
if you get out
just make sure no fast cars in the lane
common sense.

[Kizzy]

Who was the bright spark behind this then? ... I can't believe anyone thought this would work :/
The poor recovery guys having to effectively shield breakdowns what!?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who was the bright spark behind this then? ... I can't believe anyone thought this would work :/
The poor recovery guys having to effectively shield breakdowns what!?

Conservative -LibDem 2010

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_motorway


And Kizzy it's so unsafe
AA and RAC no longer go on it.
you are left with 999 emergency

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Conservative -LibDem 2010

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_motorway


And Kizzy it's so unsafe
AA and RAC no longer go on it.
you are left with 999 emergency

Not surprised.. crap ideas about roads, bridges, trains, runways. And they still got in because of another crap tory idea :/

[AnnieK]

They spent years and millions making the M60 in Manchester a "smart motorway" to keep traffic moving.....sitting in standing traffic every morning, I can conclude, it didn't work.

[arista]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

They spent years and millions making the M60 in Manchester a "smart motorway" to keep traffic moving.....sitting in standing traffic every morning, I can conclude, it didn't work.

Yes as the years go on
more Wife's get car's
as well as the men

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes as the years go on
more Wife's get car's
as well as the men

Honestly, what planet do you live on?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Honestly, what planet do you live on?

England
We used to Control America back in 1607

[bots]

people do not pay proper care and attention on motorways, they dont often drive within their vehicle and personal capabilities. if they did, the smart motorways would be fine

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Honestly, what planet do you live on?

Originally Posted by arista

England

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Honestly, what planet do you live on?

Uranus

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes as the years go on
more Wife's get car's
as well as the men

Them bloody wife's clogging up our motorways
They should stick to the kitchen sink where they belong, raising the little'uns

[arista]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Them bloody wife's clogging up our motorways
They should stick to the kitchen sink where they belong, raising the little'uns

Some do.
To be most fair

[Alf]

I have a better solution, get rid of motor vehicles altogether.

Bring back the horse and cart. Keep the trains too.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

I have a better solution, get rid of motor vehicles altogether.

Bring back the horse and cart. Keep the trains too.

No Alf
Amazon Prime
is the next day
we pay each year for that
and free Star Trek new series.


Wake UP Alf

[Livia]

When I take over the country, no one under 25 is getting a licence. That'll take a decent number of cars off the roads, and all of them belonging to the "most dangerous" age group.

[Dogeatdog]

Originally Posted by Livia

When I take over the country, no one under 25 is getting a licence. That'll take a decent number of cars off the roads, and all of them belonging to the "most dangerous" age group.

This is not a smart idea.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Big Evil

This is not a smart idea.

How do you propose to reduce the number of cars on the road then? Because a house with two adults and two teenagers is pretty soon going to be come a four car house. Young people don't have the judgement skills of older people. They think they do... I thought I was very sophisticated at 18. It's only looking back you realise how under cooked you really are.

[Dogeatdog]

Originally Posted by Livia

How do you propose to reduce the number of cars on the road then? Because a house with two adults and two teenagers is pretty soon going to be come a four car house. Young people don't have the judgement skills of older people. They think they do... I thought I was very sophisticated at 18. It's only looking back you realise how under cooked you really are.

I think maybe make it compulsory that all drivers aged between 18-24 have to have a black box installed in their car. It would deter dangerous driving and would teach them to drive more safely possibly? May also possibly reduce the number of drivers on the road since some may not want to drive with a black box installed (I know I wouldn’t).

Edit: Just to add, reading back on my original post that may have came across as a bit rude which it wasn’t supposed to so I apologise if it did.

[Livia]

We're running out of space on the roads. There's nowhere to park and no one escapes traffic jams. And there is the environmental impact of more and more cars and the population grows ever bigger. We should be thinking of getting more cars off the roads, not on to them. Raising the driving age would help... and reduce accidents.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Big Evil

I think maybe make it compulsory that all drivers aged between 18-24 have to have a black box installed in their car. It would deter dangerous driving and would teach them to drive more safely possibly? May also possibly reduce the number of drivers on the road since some may not want to drive with a black box installed (I know I wouldn’t).

Edit: Just to add, reading back on my original post that may have came across as a bit rude which it wasn’t supposed to so I apologise if it did.

Well that's very nice of you BE. No need to apologise though, I didn't find you at all offensive.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

When I take over the country, no one under 25 is getting a licence. That'll take a decent number of cars off the roads, and all of them belonging to the "most dangerous" age group.

To be fair though, while some of that is down to recklessness of young drivers... A lot of it is down to the inexperience of NEW drivers. So making it that you can only start at 25 would probably just bump up the figures for accidents involving 25-30 year olds... Since all the 25 year olds are now the new inexperienced drivers.

Really there's no way to get around there being inexperienced drivers on the road, unfortunately. Everyone is new at some point.

Soef of reminds me of an old customer I had who used to frequently insist - when he had been inconvenienced by staff inexperience of some sort - that "untrained staff shouldn't be working on the desk!!". I once suggested as an OBVIOUSLY sarcastic joke that they should be trained in warehouses with actors for 6 months and he unironically thought it was a great idea

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair though, while some of that is down to recklessness of young drivers... A lot of it is down to the inexperience of NEW drivers. So making it that you can only start at 25 would probably just bump up the figures for accidents involving 25-30 year olds... Since all the 25 year olds are now the new inexperienced drivers.

Really there's no way to get around there being inexperienced drivers on the road, unfortunately. Everyone is new at some point.

Soef of reminds me of an old customer I had who used to frequently insist - when he had been inconvenienced by staff inexperience of some sort - that "untrained staff shouldn't be working on the desk!!". I once suggested as an OBVIOUSLY sarcastic joke that they should be trained in warehouses with actors for 6 months and he unironically thought it was a great idea

Inexperienced and young... they're not the same thing.

We're hurtling towards an environmental disaster... and yet we're going to stand up for the rights of more people to drive cars. What would Greta say?