[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I was joking with you jeeez marsh

I guess the joke went over my head, huh.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

That must have been all sorts of mixtures of emotions for you..

Tbh though.Im not the best person for this discussion..if you do jyst want to unload to someone there are many willing to listen and understand you on here better than I can.

I just hope your a happy soul, that makes me happy.

To be honest, I remember not really being too bothered about it at the time, after he came out, he was so much happier in life, my mum stood by him too. Now I have a second dad who is as important to me as my actual dad is too.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

For years Izzard has been known as a cross dresser, but didn't he recently identify as something else? Or have I got that wrong ?.

Not that I'm aware of.
Straight bloke who finds wearing male and female clothes enjoyable.
Same like Grayson Perry.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I guess the joke went over my head, huh.

Yes it did , as I was just confirming the obvious

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Not that I'm aware of.
Straight bloke who finds wearing male and female clothes enjoyable.
Same like Grayson Perry.

He's identifying as Transgender now , but I still think he's a cross dresser .

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainmen...gift-to-myself

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

He's identifying as Transgender now , but I still think he's a cross dresser .

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainmen...gift-to-myself

That's news to me. Thank you.

Still, not gay as sheriff said.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

That's news to me. Thank you.

Still, not gay as sheriff said.

I personally think he's still just a cross dresser but is putting another label on it .

I knew I didn't imagine him saying it though .

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I personally think he's still just a cross dresser but is putting another label on it .

I knew I didn't imagine him saying it though .

I didn't know.

[parmnion]

The only people they were kidding when they entered into marriage were themselves..it wasn't that fashionable or necessary to get married 29 years ago.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

To be honest, I remember not really being too bothered about it at the time, after he came out, he was so much happier in life, my mum stood by him too. Now I have a second dad who is as important to me as my actual dad is too.

And how's your mum?

I'm more bothered about your relationship with her about it all in this discussion.

But again, I'm not the best person to be discussing this with

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I personally think he's still just a cross dresser but is putting another label on it .

I knew I didn't imagine him saying it though .

A cross dresser upper..

Hence the lip stick.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The only people they were kidding when they entered into marriage were themselves..it wasn't that fashionable or necessary to get married 29 years ago.

I'm not discussing it with you.

[Barry.]

Good on him!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The only people they were kidding when they entered into marriage were themselves..it wasn't that fashionable or necessary to get married 29 years ago.

Did they say they got married because it was necessary or fashionable?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And how's your mum?

I'm more bothered about your relationship with her about it all in this discussion.

But again, I'm not the best person to be discussing this with

She died 17 years ago, from an illness she'd had since I was pretty young. My life sounds kinda like a soap when I go back and describe everything

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

She died 17 years ago, from an illness she'd had since I was pretty young. My life sounds kinda like a soap when I go back and describe everything

That's sad to hear Scarlett.

And tbf some people's lives can be more dramatic than others, just as long as you don't start hearing about someone's twin being hidden behind a mirror or portrait like out of Sunset Beach I think it was, then your life isn't a Soap.

I hope that you're doing okay anyway Scarlett.

[arista]

[MB.]

Between the Mirror and the Sun, I've come to the shocking realisation that tabloids have no idea how to use an ellipsis properly

[Ammi]

...I’m coming to terms with it, MB...

[Ammi]

...to...terms with...it..

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

The last 20 or so years is when it's started getting more accepted widespread, before then you still had a lot of slurs and a lot of comedy shows just using gay people as a joke (even Friends is heavily guilty of this)

....working in children’s TV as well, I think would have made it difficult for him...these are different times but even now..?...there can be restrictions placed on ‘gay’ that aren’t the same for ‘straight’...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

To be honest, I remember not really being too bothered about it at the time, after he came out, he was so much happier in life, my mum stood by him too. Now I have a second dad who is as important to me as my actual dad is too.

...I’m glad that you have two great dads, who also have each other’s love.....

[James]

I noticed this article, relevant to what you've been talking about in this thread, about women who find out about their husbands after many years of marriage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51413187

[Ammi]

...I’d literally just read that, James.....I’ve been looking at stories of people who ‘came out’ later in life, from both sides of the relationship if they’ve had a long term relationship/marriage...maybe for some, it’s something that they ‘block’, so there lives can still feel fairly complete until they start to realise an emptiness they’d pushed to the side before...especially as with someone like Philip Scofield, who has had so much in his life to focus on...his life has been so filled with great opportunities/great working life/great family/great friends etc...so that enabling that sub conscious blocking to become easier and to be sustained through much time...

...there’s a great quote from an author, which feels as though it might apply...


...’the greatest illusion’ said the mole...’is that life should be perfect’...

[thesheriff443]

It’s funny how all the ficus is on poor Phil being gay but having to hide it, he has been lying to his wife of 27 years.

He was asked was he gay back in the nineties had he ever slept with a man and was his marriage to hide the fact he was gay.


We don’t know the full details of how long his wife knew but making Phil out a tormented soul is utter crap.

He has got it off his little chest but left his wife now to deal with it.