[Oliver_W]

Is the act of conceding an "official" thing? What I mean by that is if he conceded, would that mean any investigations into dodginess would have to cease, and he'd be out of the race? Or is it just a courtesy thing?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Is the act of conceding an "official" thing? What I mean by that is if he conceded, would that mean any investigations into dodginess would have to cease, and he'd be out of the race? Or is it just a courtesy thing?

it's purely a courtesy thing and plays no part in the process. Indeed, in 2000 Gore conceded and then withdrew it

When the results are certified in each state in the next couple of weeks, that locks everything in place. There is still an opportunity that the states won't follow the way the people voted and allocate the electoral college votes differently, that is thought to be highly unlikely, but these aren't normal times

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Is the act of conceding an "official" thing? What I mean by that is if he conceded, would that mean any investigations into dodginess would have to cease, and he'd be out of the race? Or is it just a courtesy thing?

It's widely expected that conceding is done once the result is clear as it is now.

The mandate of 48 States is who wins the popular vote gets all the college votes of that State.
In Nebraska and Maine, they are the only 2 who do it differently where the college votes may be split.

It's time the USA looked at the popular vote being represented in the college votes as now as in 2000 and in 2016.
A President was elected by not winning the overall popular vote.

In 2000, with Florida only having barely hundreds of votes separating Bush and Gore..
Then the Supreme court needing to be involved too.
That was an election where doubt over the result was more valid.

Not now with thousands of votes separating Trump and Biden in the closer States.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Trump to speak soon. All day he's been tweeting tin foil hat conspiracy theories.

Yes his Hair was more grey
yesterday.

Saying whoever is on power?
It is the first time he has accepted his loss.


It was all about the Vaccine
and how the NY State Gov
will not take it from Trump.

All about the Free Vaccine
nothing on the election

[GoldHeart]

I was like wtf happened to his hair , has the hair dye faded now .

[arista]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I was like wtf happened to his hair , has the hair dye faded now .

Could be he has
no helpers.

[Oliver_W]

I literally thought he wore a toupee, was it real all along?

Is it a really elaborate combover? Transplant? Or is the "Trump is actually bald" thing a joke?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I literally thought he wore a toupee, was it real all along?

Is it a really elaborate combover? Transplant? Or is the "Trump is actually bald" thing a joke?

Its real expanded with a Special Hair Spray

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I literally thought he wore a toupee, was it real all along?

Is it a really elaborate combover? Transplant? Or is the "Trump is actually bald" thing a joke?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Is the act of conceding an "official" thing? What I mean by that is if he conceded, would that mean any investigations into dodginess would have to cease, and he'd be out of the race? Or is it just a courtesy thing?

No, a concession can be withdrawn (I think BOTH Bush and Gore conceded at different times in the confusion in 2000) which it's why it's even more ridiculous that he won't do it - he could concede and still have recounts go ahead. The man simply isn't capable of admitting fair defeat.

I think multiple people who have been around him (including Clinton) - in competition, be that business, politics or golf, Trump has only two mindsets for the outcome. Either he wins, or the winner cheated.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No, a concession can be withdrawn (I think BOTH Bush and Gore conceded at different times in the confusion in 2000) which it's why it's even more ridiculous that he won't do it - he could concede and still have recounts go ahead. The man simply isn't capable of admitting fair defeat.

I think multiple people who have been around him (including Clinton) - in competition, be that business, politics or golf, Trump has only two mindsets for the outcome. Either he wins, or the winner cheated.

I wasn't aware of that, then he really has nothing to lose by conceding...

If, in his heart of hearts, he truly believes there's some meddling going on, I guess I can see why he doesn't want to wave the flag ... and, still being President, he'll be privy to some information we aren't ... but while some aspects of it might seen fishy I just don't the election was won by cheating.

ETA: that said, he's not the most subtle of people, so if he was in possession of information which we weren't that "proved" there was cheating going on, he wouldn't stop crowing about it.

[arista]

Trump Supporters
are marching in Washington DC.

Starts in an hour
Already alot are there.

Ref:FoxNewsHD Live

[bitontheslide]

fans of Korean pop music (K-pop) have been using the #MillionMAGAMarch hashtag online to post pictures of pancakes in protest at the pro-Trump rally.

In the latest example of K-pop fans using innocuous images to drown out Trump supporters, actress Shea Depmore urged people to fill the hashtag with "syrupy goodness".

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

fans of Korean pop music (K-pop) have been using the #MillionMAGAMarch hashtag online to post pictures of pancakes in protest at the pro-Trump rally.

In the latest example of K-pop fans using innocuous images to drown out Trump supporters, actress Shea Depmore urged people to fill the hashtag with "syrupy goodness".

Pancakes are better than gifs of KPop stars. They all look like creepy robots, their faces have a real "uncanny valley" thing going on, they're just disturbing to look at...

[arista]

[President Trump drove through the protest
on his way to his golf course]



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54945154

[arista]

[joeysteele]

They are really awful scenes happening following this election.

The fact he hasn't condemned this emerging problem shows how he was never fit to be President in the first place.

However it's the Republican party itself which now has to stand up and be counted.
Because it's allowing this unnecessary unrest to build.

Not only will Trump not be fit to be President as he never really was anyway.
The Republican party itself, could end up being seen as not respecting voters and democracy or even law.
Time they completely distanced themselves from Trump.
...... and fast too

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They are really awful scenes happening following this election.

The fact he hasn't condemned this emerging problem shows how he was never fit to be President in the first place.

However it's the Republican party itself which now has to stand up and be counted.
Because it's allowing this unnecessary unrest to build.

Not only will Trump not be fit to be President as he never really was anyway.
The Republican party itself, could end up being seen as not respecting voters and democracy or even law.
Time they completely distanced themselves from Trump.
...... and fast too

The problem is that the republican party have a whole infrastructure now in place that reflects Trump. Trump was never the real problem here and too many people just say ... it's all because of Trump - it's not. He is a symptom. People are unwilling to accept it, but it is the whole american political machine that is wrong, and the dems have not helped themselves by disenfranchising 70 million + voters. It's also clear that the dems still haven't grasped that they are as much a part of the problem as the republican party.

Biden is being disingenuous when he say he wants cross party agreement and that he wants to represent every american, because he will never get it, and he doesn't and ... he knows it. The dems represent a few high population areas, but it is by no means the whole of America. If they want to be more inclusive, they have to provide for the needs of the non city dwellers too. Its that simple

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The problem is that the republican party have a whole infrastructure now in place that reflects Trump. Trump was never the real problem here and too many people just say ... it's all because of Trump - it's not. He is a symptom. People are unwilling to accept it, but it is the whole american political machine that is wrong, and the dems have not helped themselves by disenfranchising 70 million + voters. It's also clear that the dems still haven't grasped that they are as much a part of the problem as the republican party.

Biden is being disingenuous when he say he wants cross party agreement and that he wants to represent every american, because he will never get it, and he doesn't and ... he knows it. The dems represent a few high population areas, but it is by no means the whole of America. If they want to be more inclusive, they have to provide for the needs of the non city dwellers too. Its that simple

Well every leader elected talks about reuniting a whole Country.
It's a given that's unlikely.

Thatcher quoted the words of Francis of Assisi on election, then did the exact opposite of their meaning.

The Democrats had and have ongoing problems however they won this election.
So I'm not going to sidestep Trump and the Republican Party's dismal and dangerous attempts to undermine the election, by claiming any fault to the Democrats here.

My Cousin's in Californiaand friends in Colorado and South Dakota, of Republican and Democrat voters, all state the election was as fair as oukd be.
That comes from Republican governors too as well as Democrat officials.

If as you indicate, this isn't just Trump then that makes the Republican party in an even worse set up.
However I hold Trump more responsible, he's been a President like virtually no other, only negatively so however in my view.

The biggest scandal only in this election would have been, had again Trump sneaked in enough other States with small winning margins.
That for 2 elections in a row, the President would have been elected, with a good way behind the other candidate on the popular vote.
That would have been the real wrong.

I do blame Trump he himself was whipping up this discontent even before the election.

The fact the Republican party has said next to nothing and is sitting there allowing him to sulk and tweet his bile and lies.
Does now reflect on the whole Republican party.

Nothing to do with the Democrats, who did all they had to in this election.
Who also now warrant the acknowledgement of their win.

So I won't join in the sidestepping of some defence of Trump at all
Nor now to the Republican party.

I've never much minded who won the American Presidency before, although if I was American I'd vote Democrat.
However Trump should never have been President.
For 2 elections now in a row, he wasn't the overall Nations choice to be so.
Biden has managed enough to stop that wrong happening again in this election as it came about in the last one.

I congratulate Biden and the Democrats on that.
Equally, I'll look for no excuses for Trump or now the Republican party,allowing this unrest to gather and build.
Only from Trump's unsubstantiated claims and blatant lies.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

[President Trump drove through the protest
on his way to his golf course]



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54945154

They're as stupid as all of the other recent protesters!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The problem is that the republican party have a whole infrastructure now in place that reflects Trump. Trump was never the real problem here and too many people just say ... it's all because of Trump - it's not. He is a symptom. People are unwilling to accept it, but it is the whole american political machine that is wrong, and the dems have not helped themselves by disenfranchising 70 million + voters. It's also clear that the dems still haven't grasped that they are as much a part of the problem as the republican party.

Biden is being disingenuous when he say he wants cross party agreement and that he wants to represent every american, because he will never get it, and he doesn't and ... he knows it. The dems represent a few high population areas, but it is by no means the whole of America. If they want to be more inclusive, they have to provide for the needs of the non city dwellers too. Its that simple

You're right about Trumpism being republicanism, although with that being true, how do you then shift the blame onto dems disenfranchising half the voters, when they have 24hr hour news channel, and 24hr RW talk radio pumping into their brains that Obama wasn't a citizen, that Hilary and Bill were running a child sex trafficking ring out of the basement of a dc pizza restaurant, or that Trump was a saviour who was secretly battling the forces of peadophilia?

Biden isn't being disingenuous, because he believes it. He's from a time when senators worked together to get things done, not from the era when republicans work together to stop anything that helps people and hurts their donors.

I don't think dems are blameless. I think they're guilty of playing republican games and spending too much time trying not to fit in to republican framing, but the republican voters are electing QAnon conspiracy theorists. They're an anti democratic conspiracy cult at this stage. It's not the dems that turned them into this. You can't reason with a party ready to burn the country to the ground to protect their own interests over the 300+ million citizens.

[The Slim Reaper]

Dems disenfranchising voters

[The Slim Reaper]

Those bloody dems

[arista]

[Denver]

Trump has finally admitted he lost even if he is still peddling the fraud claims