[GoldHeart]

Do you think it's necessary for businesses like restaurants, bars , cinema ,theatres etc to close due to the coronavirus?.

And if any of these places are open would you still go to them , whilst just being careful?.

[Kate!]

Unfortunately yes. I do believe its necessary. And I will following the advice given. X

[Denver]

No not at all, people have to earn to live without work they go into crippling debts

[Cherie]

I think lockdown has worked elsewhere so probably a good idea, the issue we have now is ALOT of people who should take responsibility for keeping themselves safe are not doing so, and the NHS will be over run soon, looks like a lot of people need to be led around by the hand or they won't comply

[Toy Soldier]

It's temporarily necessary to slow the spread, I just hope that the government is willing to support these industries in the meantime and that the length of closures is controlled and sensible.

Unfortunately, I'm not confident of either, nor am I confident that this government will have much interest in supporting those who end up in financial trouble.

[GoldHeart]

But by that logic then everyone on TV is at risk ??. Including news crew etc.

They strongly advise over 70 year olds & pregnant women more to self isolate .

So surely a healthy person going to a pub / restaurant that's still open shouldn't worry too much? .

[arista]

Yes Lockdown is needed

[Kizzy]

They are forcing people to stay indoors informally... if you are not at work.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They are forcing people to stay indoors informally... if you are not at work.

asking

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But by that logic then everyone on TV is at risk ??. Including news crew etc.

They strongly advise over 70 year olds & pregnant women more to self isolate .

So surely a healthy person going to a pub / restaurant that's still open shouldn't worry too much? .

Again the complicated part isn't getting ill... a healthy young person doesn't (really) need to worry about their health with it - no more than they need to worry about getting sick generally - however the reason for trying to get people to not do it is that for every healthy young person who gets it, it increases the risk that an at-risk person will get it, and the more people at risk of severe infection who get it the higher the burden on hospitals. They want as many people as possible (everyone, ideally) who needs hospital treatment to be able to get it and right now, if there's a sudden increase, they won't be able to.

When the medical experts talk about making "devastating choices" essentially what they're saying is, if there's a 75 year old and a < 50 year old who both need help breathing, the equipment will be given to the younger person and the 75 year old may die when they could have recovered with help. Genuinely a horrendous situation for that person, their family, and any healthcare staff having to make that decision.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They are forcing people to stay indoors informally... if you are not at work.

They can't force people , not unless we get to the stage where military soldiers are blocking us in the streets .

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

asking

Weeeell... somewhere inbetween really. I (touch wood) can't see there being patrols literally keeping people in their homes, but on the other hand, if they close every social venue then they don't really need to ask because there'll be nowhere to actually go.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

They can't force people , not unless we get to the stage where military soldiers are blocking us in the streets .

The UK doesn't even have a large enough police force or active military to enforce that country-wide. In densely populated areas like city centres it's not impossible, but not in every town and village .

[Twosugars]

France will mobilise 100,000 police to carry out checks on people’s movements, the country’s interior minister, Christophe Castaner, has said.

In the past couple of hours, the French president Emmanuel Macron announced stricter controls after a weekend during which he said many French people had carried on largely as normal and, in so doing, put the people around them at risk.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Weeeell... somewhere inbetween really. I (touch wood) can't see there being patrols literally keeping people in their homes, but on the other hand, if they close every social venue then they don't really need to ask because there'll be nowhere to actually go.

But if venues are still open , surely some people will still go to them ?. Obviously not many but still.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

France will mobilise 100,000 police to carry out checks on people’s movements, the country’s interior minister, Christophe Castaner, has said.

In the past couple of hours, the French president Emmanuel Macron announced stricter controls after a weekend during which he said many French people had carried on largely as normal and, in so doing, put the people around them at risk.

yes, if people want to go outside they must ask for permission

a permission folder what French people can download online

but only for valid reasons such as grocery shopping, important work-related stuff, so no more activity there like going to bars, restaurants, cinema, concerts

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But if venues are still open , surely some people will still go to them ?. Obviously not many but still.

I don't think they will be within the next week or so.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't think they will be within the next week or so.

I googled some venues / bars etc which are still open.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I googled some venues / bars etc which are still open.

My guess would be announcement Friday, closed by Monday. I think SOME schools will close next week, too. Not sure if it'll be an all-at-once sweep or will start with just larger/city schools.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My guess would be announcement Friday, closed by Monday. I think SOME schools will close next week, too. Not sure if it'll be an all-at-once sweep or will start with just larger/city schools.

Possibly, but it seems some are waiting further instructions .

But I have read that some theatres / bars are trying to just put into place safety measures , like making sure there's hand sanitisers & plenty of soap & water . And reminding people to wash their hands properly.

[bitontheslide]

i think London will get some lock down, then maybe manchester and birmingham later, the rest numbers wise wouldn't make any sizeable difference

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

They can't force people , not unless we get to the stage where military soldiers are blocking us in the streets .

If all the usual places people go to socialise are closed informally that is forcing you indoors.

[caprimint]

Not really

People just need to be more logical about who they're around (don't see older relatives etc) and the older people/people who are at risk of corona need to isolate themselves. It's going to be a massive disaster if there is nothing open and everybody is stuck inside their houses for 24 hours a day even when all the businesses remain open...

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think lockdown has worked elsewhere so probably a good idea, the issue we have now is ALOT of people who should take responsibility for keeping themselves safe are not doing so, and the NHS will be over run soon, looks like a lot of people need to be led around by the hand or they won't comply

Thing is we are not dealing with the problem the same as all the other countries ... they are using strategies to combat the virus but WE are simply trying to delay it until the NHS is in better shape to cope ..


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[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by caprimint

Not really

People just need to be more logical about who they're around (don't see older relatives etc) and the older people/people who are at risk of corona need to isolate themselves. It's going to be a massive disaster if there is nothing open and everybody is stuck inside their houses for 24 hours a day even when all the businesses remain open...

This was my initial thoughts , businesses will be highly affected .

But people are also worried they may accidentally pass the virus on . I really don't know what to make of it all .

Never seen anything like this in the UK before.