[Psylocke]

Well whats the deal?

Whats been you experience on here? Do you believe that maybe the problem is age? or ignorance? or somthing more sinister?

I find it quite disturbing,so usually i just sit back and read,but im surprised it isnt as policed as racism.

Maybe its just acceptable in the media and half these kids think its ok
as it was said on BBBM and various other media outlets,Chris moyles can make homophobic comments on his radio show and nothing is said about it,yet Emily who makes a racially unacceptable word (yet not in a hatefull contest) and gets punished harshly (in T.V standards)

But i must give kudos to alot of the mods (specially red moon) who seem quick of the mark to check it om here,but im surprised it even happens

[lily.]

I'm appalled at the intolerance of some of the members as well psy. It's quite tragic to be honest.

[~Kizwiz~]

I am also shocked at the amount of homophobic posts on the board.

There is no need for it and I find it offensive and ignorant

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Stropz
I'm appalled at the intolerance of some of the members as well psy. It's quite tragic to be honest.

homophobia and Racism are practically the same thing,which is why its so hard to get my head around why they are treated differently.Its intolerence against somone who is different.


I do believe talking to my older friends tho,thats years ago it was much worse,and society (yet VERY slowly) are coming around.

[lily.]

So they keep telling me psy.. but if society is in fact coming around, then why are so many people still homophobic?

PS. Gave you karma for addressing this issue.

[Gap]

Originally posted by Psylocke

homophobia and Racism are practically the same thing,which is why its so hard to get my head around why they are treated differently.Its intolerence against somone who is different.


I do believe talking to my older friends tho,thats years ago it was much worse,and society (yet VERY slowly) are coming around.

And yet (sorry to go of topic) C4 will deal with racism, but use Chris Moyles on BBBM

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Stropz
So they keep telling me psy.. but if society is in fact coming around, then why are so many people still homophobic?

PS. Gave you karma for addressing this issue.

the homophobia seems to seen as bad now by joe average next door,the people that are homophobic are seen as bad people in society.Im a complete optimist tho and i try and see the good before the bad.

the media are just a bit slow,as is some older people who are breeding it into there children

I know that gay bashes are fewer than they were in the 90's,sure they still happen but to a lesser extent,hopefully thats a point in the right direction.
Thanks for the + aswell but it seems some coward is frightened to say anything took one away again lol

and Gap,yep that made me feel ill

[lily.]

Someone took one off you cuz you're back down at 4. Someone homophobic perhaps?

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Stropz
Someone took one off you cuz you're back down at 4. Someone homophobic perhaps?

yeah,just another coward,but hopefully thats the worst that they will do with there hate,take some karma off somone on the internet who they have never met.

[lily.]

Yup. I'm sure you wont lose any sleep over it anyway mate.

[Georgiee-Boyy!]

I think Emily should never have been kicked out, you can clearly see she did not mean what she said in a harmful way, and the stuff about Chris Moyles i totally agree.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Stropz
Yup. I'm sure you wont lose any sleep over it anyway mate.

haha not at all.

Im too excited about Dublin Pride the weekend

[lily.]

Originally posted by Psylocke

haha not at all.

Im too excited about Dublin Pride the weekend

Am I invited...? I never get to go out anywhere at the weekend! LoL

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Well whats the deal?

Whats been you experience on here? Do you believe that maybe the problem is age? or ignorance? or somthing more sinister?

I find it quite disturbing,so usually i just sit back and read,but Im surprised it isnt as policed as racism.

Maybe its just acceptable in the media and half these kids think its ok
as it was said on BBBM and various other media outlets,Chris moyles can make homophobic comments on his radio show and nothing is said about it,yet Emily who makes a racially unacceptable word (yet not in a hatefull contest) and gets punished harshly (in T.V standards)

But i must give kudos to alot of the mods (specially red moon) who seem quick of the mark to check it om here,but Im surprised it even happens

That's a good point Psylocke

There is a lot of homophobia about and if somebody mentioned it to Chris Moyles, that he had said a comment which was homophobic, he may be surprised that he has actually done something wrong?

I guess that Racism will always be looked upon as much more serious than homophobia ever will be.

We live in a country where unfairness exists and we all want things to work out just right, but sadly, it isn't so

On a forum like this, there is no guide available to any new or existing member, on how to describe a Gay person and how to debate about it safely within a thread, which concerns a housemate in BB who is Gay, "let's say?"

Recently we have seen these threads get locked, because some members have said a word or comments which some find to be homophobic or a description of a Gay person, which unfortunately offends one or two other members.

Before you know it, there is a debate about what to say & what not to say & suddenly, (Thread Locked)

So what will please a member or members who do get offended??

It's simple really

There should be a guide on the forum, of what to say & how to NOT offend.

Also, it should be a joint desicion between all mods & admins alike, as everyone has there own opinion & if one mod tells a member one thing and another mod has a different idea, it get's very confusing indeed.

I would say it is acceptable to say:-

"A Gay housemate" or "2 Gay housemates", that is legal & acceptable and cannot really offend.

If you see these Newspaper articles, they are very careful what they print and they know the law and have special advisors on how to say things without offending.

But we are not really talking about Newspapers, we are talking about the TIBB forum and how to have a debate within a thread, without this homophobic problem escalating further.

Don't blame forum members, many are not so aware of how to debate safely on the subject of a Gay housemate and that will always happen

Many times, the word which offends is within a thread title itself. That needs to be addressed, but if it is not offensive and members debating within that thread use the word or words within that thread title, then you can't really blame them, can you?

And if so many threads get locked, as a result of this, it is a crazy situation, which really shouldn't happen.

Gerry & Seany are in BB8 & both are Gay housemates, so it is inevitable it is going to come up in conversation, isn't it

I am sure TIBB can sort this small problem out Confidence is everything, you know






nodisharmony

[lily.]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Don't blame forum members, many are not so aware of how to debate safely on the subject of a Gay housemate and that will always happen

Many times, the word which offends is within a thread title itself. That needs to be addressed, but if it is not offensive and members debating within that thread use the word or words within that thread title, then you can't really blame them, can you?

I disagree. I think we can blame forum members because each and every one of us is responsible for what we post on here. I take full responsibility for all my actions on TiBB and the consequences of those actions.

It seems we live in a world where we look for someone else to blame for our own shortcomings.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Stropz


I disagree. I think we can blame forum members because each and every one of us is responsible for what we post on here. I take full responsibility for all my actions on TiBB and the consequences of those actions.

It seems we live in a world where we can look for someone else to blame for our own shortcomings.

But guidance is important, as many who debate in these threads about "Gerry" & "Seany" and the word (Gay) will crop up and a descussion may follow.

If a member or members find something offensive, isn't it better to educate someone and guide them in the right direction.

If there was a sort of guide on TIBB, any member who may get offended by a word or comment, that could help with matters? It's only an idea.

If you personally think it is better to hand out 24, 48 or 7 day bans, (like your handing out sweets), then I don't agree.

Many members may feel they are being victimized and won't really understand or what went wrong.

I am sure that TIBB welcomes new members and if a mistake like (A wrongly worded post) which wasn't homophobic, but it did contain badly described wordings on how to describe a Gay housemate.

I am not looking for a failure, just an answer for innocent members who wish to feel that there is help about Nice help




nodisharmony

[Taijitu]

I recently had an argument with a "gay woman" (her words) on another forum as I felt she was being a little prejudiced against straight males due to past experiences. It went from "crawl back under your rock" to the two of us wishing eachother a great summer and all the best.

I think sometimes it is possible, especially when only comunicating in writing, to really miss read what others say. That being said it is a pity that some people really seem to have a hatred for people and groups they have no idea about.

I like to live with the moto though, "If you hate anything its probably yourself.", so in all honestly I really just feel sorry for such people.

Well, mods must really be doing a good job as Ive not seen anything I felt offended by, but then very little offends me tbh.

Ack, and more relevant to your post, I completely agree that it should be treated just as badly as racism and seen as just as uneceptable. I hope it hasnt ruined your or anyone elses time on the forums.

[Gap]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

But guidance is important, as many who debate in these threads about "Gerry" & "Seany" and the word (Gay) will crop up and a descussion may follow.

If a member or members find something offensive, isn't it better to educate someone and guide them in the right direction.

If there was a sort of guide on TIBB, any member who may get offended by a word or comment, that could help with matters? It's only an idea.

If you personally think it is better to hand out 24, 48 or 7 day bans, (like your handing out sweets), then I don't agree.

Many members may feel they are being victimized and won't really understand or what went wrong.

I am sure that TIBB welcomes new members and if a mistake like (A wrongly worded post) which wasn't homophobic, but it did contain badly described wordings on how to describe a Gay housemate.

I am not looking for a failure, just an answer for innocent members who wish to feel that there is help about Nice help




nodisharmony

The problem is, people on here don't care. If you point it out to them, they don't listen and I think TIBB needs to take a stand on it

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Gap

The problem is, people on here don't care. If you point it out to them, they don't listen and I think TIBB needs to take a stand on it

They are not all like that Gap

Many will listen if it explained to them, but I agree with you, that if someone wishes to be homophopic and make a point or go out of their way to be like that, then TIBB will make a stand.

I have seen it.





nodisharmony

[Taijitu]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

They are not all like that Gap

Many will listen if it explained to them, but I agree with you, that if someone wishes to be homophopic and make a point or go out of their way to be like that, then TIBB will make a stand.

I have seen it.

Totally agree. Making such people feel resentment is probably the last thing you want to do. Hopefully most can come to understand other peoples side and develope some empathy.

[spitfire]

Does homophobia mean that someone is scared of gays in the same way that arachnophobia means someone is scared of spiders?If thats the case i dont think ive seen an homophobic post.

[lily.]

Homophobia is intolerance towards gay people.

[Psylocke]

Nodish,I feel that somthing like words being misused is just ignorance or unintelligence.

It is 100% ok in my oppinion to call a gay man "gay" and a gay woman a "Lesbian" its words like "F*g" or "pansy"I have a problem with


But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.

[xXEtchieXx]

Originally posted by Psylocke

But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.

Why is that very offensive I dont get it? I can kinda understand a gay person being slightly peeved off if someone reacted like that in the street after a quick snog, but how/why would that offend the average joe?

[Gap]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Nodish,I feel that somthing like words being misused is just ignorance or unintelligence.

It is 100% ok in my oppinion to call a gay man "gay" and a gay woman a "Lesbian" its words like "F*g" or "pansy"I have a problem with


But Its things like people going "Ewww disgusting" or "Yuck thats sick" when somone mentioned Gerry and Seany kissing,things like that are very offensive,more offensive than misuse of words in my oppinion.

It's put me off commenting in the BB8 section alltogether, it seems to be full of young people (no disrespect intended) posting pointless threads with no real mature discussion going on and more to the point, using offensive terms like that.