[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That's ridiculous , Sir Keir isn't a Blairite. Policy wise he's pretty similar to Corbyn.

Prior to his electionary as leader that was true... but now?
Where are his socialist values now...I don't see them.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Prior to his electionary as leader that was true... but now?
Where are his socialist values now...I don't see them.

So you think he changed since becoming leader, how so?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So you think he changed since becoming leader, how so?

By abandoning his socialist values.. I just kinda said that.

[The Slim Reaper]

Starmer is nowhere near Corbyn policy-wise, he's currently at war with the left wing of his party. Bizarre.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

By abandoning his socialist values.. I just kinda said that.

Which ones?

[UserSince2005]

starman is a puppet on a string.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Which ones?

The ones he had prior to his role as labour leader . Google is your friend.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The ones he had prior to his role as labour leader . Google is your friend.

You're not being very clear. Why do you think he's abandoned his values? Nothing he's said or done seems to suggest be had. Where are you getting it from?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You're not being very clear. Why do you think he's abandoned his values? Nothing he's said or done seems to suggest be had. Where are you getting it from?

Let's put this in reverse, which of his pre-election pledges has he kept?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

You're not being very clear. Why do you think he's abandoned his values? Nothing he's said or done seems to suggest be had. Where are you getting it from?

It's my opinion based on my observations, should you take a look back at his career then and now the difference is palpable.
If you don't agree fine.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Let's put this in reverse, which of his pre-election pledges has he kept?

I didn't particularly keep up with what he pledged before tbh or the process , I didn't really pay attention until he was leader.

But I'd be interested to see why people think he's gone back on things he said he'd do.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I didn't particularly keep up with what he pledged before tbh or the process , I didn't really pay attention until he was leader.

But I'd be interested to see why people think he's gone back on things he said he'd do.

Then you are approaching this from a position of ignorance, you can't compare whether mine or anyones stance is valid until you educate yourself and get one of your own.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then you are approaching this from a position of ignorance, you can't compare whether mine or anyones stance is valid until you educate yourself and get one of your own.

"educate yourself" Bless.

I don't even believe you have an opinion apart from "Keith sucks" because you can't specify how he's apparently changed

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I didn't particularly keep up with what he pledged before tbh or the process , I didn't really pay attention until he was leader.

But I'd be interested to see why people think he's gone back on things he said he'd do.

This is a bit overly simplistic, but will give you a quick overview.

https://evolvepolitics.com/fact-chec...edges-already/

Just for the record, Starmer still insists he's a socialist.

Just checked and it's from November, so further reneging has taken part since then.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

"educate yourself" Bless.

I don't even believe you have an opinion apart from "Keith sucks" because you can't specify how he's apparently changed

Damn you Keith

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

"educate yourself" Bless.

I don't even believe you have an opinion apart from "Keith sucks" because you can't specify how he's apparently changed

Who's Keith?...

I don't want to debate with you because you have no counter..you don't know anything about his past values, you just admitted that so it would be entirely pointless.

I have an opinion, you don't.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

By abandoning his socialist values.. I just kinda said that.

I'm not a starmer fan tbh , and labour aren't taken seriously anymore . I've always been a labour supporter though.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is a bit overly simplistic, but will give you a quick overview.

https://evolvepolitics.com/fact-chec...edges-already/

Just for the record, Starmer still insists he's a socialist.

Just checked and it's from November, so further reneging has taken part since then.

Thanks for that, interesting read!

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm not a starmer fan tbh , and labour aren't taken seriously anymore . I've always been a labour supporter though.

Labour's on the up now, opinion polls pretty much always have both the party and Sir Keir ahead of the Tories and BoJo.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Thanks for that, interesting read!


Labour's on the up now, opinion polls pretty much always have both the party and Sir Keir ahead of the Tories and BoJo.

I won't hold my breath on labour winning the next election, we're always stuck in a Tory leadership. The faces may change but same old government .

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I won't hold my breath on labour winning the next election, we're always stuck in a Tory leadership. The faces may change but same old government .

I guess it depends on how long the Corona stuff goes on for. People have short memories when it comes to politics, but if the tories continue to **** it up making it stretch to <2 years from the election, it could cost them! Like without Corona, or rather his terrible handling of it, Trump would have probably walked into a second term. but his incompetence was really spotlighted by it, and now he's going.

The Tories have about four(?) years left to pretend to be decent before the next election, but that's also four years of being them.

BoJo won't be leading the party for the next election, I'm nearly certain. I'd be surprised if he's still PM next year tbh. Someone like Rishi Sunak heading the party in a post-Covid three years would make Labour's battle tougher.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yougov poll out today has tories up by 3 points on the back of record cronyism, disastrous handling of the pandemic, brexit shambles, and not feeding kids. With the vaccine on the way, tories will be comfortable way before the next election, and keir will still be trying to out tory the tories.

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Starmer is spot on in that report and saying bereaved families are waiting for the true answers, not this government's PM and his Ministers deceit and spin.

There are hoards of them waiting for this inquiry,no wonder he wants it delayed as much as possible, Johnson's also repeatedly refused, yes refused, to meet with bereaved families.

He knows what could be coming from an inquiry, he certainly does.

[arista]

[arista]