[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This is the problem with Keir, he comes across less well in one on one interviews.

I'm not watching her however, I can't bear her style with any politician.

Sue Gray is liked and respected in the main however.
For me, she shouldn't be doing this investigation plus she cannot really apportion any blame.
So events have somewhat overtaken her agenda on this.

Plus her boss is in effect Johnson so this investigation to me is irrelevant mostly.

But its the only way to view Keir Live

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

But its the only way to view Keir Live

I don't like her style of interviewing anyone regardless of Party.

I'm sick of presenters being forced to be too confrontational and often through feeding through earpieces too.

I think we've the worst ever set of interviewers and political presenters we've likely ever had.

They actually make politics a bigger turn off than it already is.

[arista]

Well she is a Temp.

So soon another Reporter gets the Job.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Well she is a Temp.

So soon another Reporter gets the Job.

I can't wait.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't like her style of interviewing anyone regardless of Party.

I'm sick of presenters being forced to be too confrontational and often through feeding through earpieces too.

I think we've the worst ever set of interviewers and political presenters we've likely ever had.

They actually make politics a bigger turn off than it already is.

Yes I completely agree about the dreadful political interviewers .. especially Sky’s Beth and that other annoying bloke


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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Fair points

Keir, meanwhile, not answering well
on BBC1HD Sophie.
He Likes Sue Gray



He has no answer
about
if Johnson does not resign?

I watched Keir yesterday dismally trying to answer questions...stumbling over his words...talking like he was talking to someone down the pub with tittle tattle gossip with a childlike smirk on his face....this man is NOT a leader...just a huge embarassment.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I watched Keir yesterday dismally trying to answer questions...stumbling over his words...talking like he was talking to someone down the pub with tittle tattle gossip with a childlike smirk on his face....this man is NOT a leader...just a huge embarassment.

Totally agree ...



All those wanting Boris out ..be careful what you wish for !!

Imagine Starmer or Ashworth in charge

A little part of me wants this guy to be the next leader and PM just to bring him down a peg or two



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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Totally agree ...



All those wanting Boris out ..be careful what you wish for !!

Imagine Starmer or Ashworth in charge

A little part of me wants this guy to be the next leader and PM just to bring him down a peg or two



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Despite the rule breaks...I think Boris has done a great job through Brexit and Covid....I really dont know anyone who could have done it better.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Despite the rule breaks...I think Boris has done a great job through Brexit and Covid....I really dont know anyone who could have done it better.

That’s my stance as well ..

That said I just see something ‘nice’ in Boris so I’m biased .

I would say that I have no political leanings either way .. they are all scumbags apart from Boris


I just think that Boris’s main flaw may just be that he’s too trusting and those under him just keep letting him down

Oh and Chris Whitney is also a nice guy albeit not a politician .

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[bitontheslide]

People seem to be under the impression that Boris is some great leader behind the scenes. He is anything but. He is the laziest PM we have ever had. He doesnt do anything, government does

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People seem to be under the impression that Boris is some great leader behind the scenes. He is anything but. He is the laziest PM we have ever had. He doesnt do anything, government does

Surely that’s just life ..

We don’t really know what ANY of the real top people are doing or have done ..

Those at the top observe .. the lower you move down the scale the harder the work , poorer conditions and the hours get ever longer ..


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[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People seem to be under the impression that Boris is some great leader behind the scenes. He is anything but. He is the laziest PM we have ever had. He doesnt do anything, government does

Hmmm…how is he lazy? He has a team around him but as leader he ultimately makes the decisions and it’s his head that is always on the chopping board if it all goes tits up…

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Hmmm…how is he lazy? He has a team around him but as leader he ultimately makes the decisions and it’s his head that is always on the chopping board if it all goes tits up…

in british government it is the cabinet that make decisions, not the PM ... another misconception, its not like being a US president

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Despite the rule breaks...I think Boris has done a great job through Brexit and Covid....I really dont know anyone who could have done it better.

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands at least of still grieving relatives of lost loved ones who through, in part Johnson's procrastination and dangerous policy decisions, brought about over at least at the last estimate, 20,000 unnecessary deaths of loved ones.

I'll never forgive him for the losses of the 4 I lost and ALL unnecessarily too.
I'm longing to be ABLE to present mine and thousands of others evidence as to that,to the independent public inquiry WHEN he DARES hold it that is.
Since he's always refused point blank to meet with us, only seeing selected small groups.
Who he's even now offended further with the partying scandals.

As for no one doing it better, plenty other Nations in fact all but 7 haven't had the unnecessary death toll the UK has had.
However no one can know IF no one could have done better but I myself believe just about anyone could.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands at least of still grieving relatives of lost loved ones who through, in part Johnson's procrastination and dangerous policy decisions, brought about over at least at the last estimate, 20,000 unnecessary deaths of loved ones.

I'll never forgive him for the losses of the 4 I lost and ALL unnecessarily too.
I'm longing to be ABLE to present mine and thousands of others evidence as to that,to the independent public inquiry WHEN he DARES hold it that is.
Since he's always refused point blank to meet with us, only seeing selected small groups.
Who he's even now offended further with the partying scandals.

As for no one doing it better, plenty other Nations in fact all but 7 haven't had the unnecessary death toll the UK has had.
However no one can know IF no one could have done better but I myself believe just about anyone could.

He was never going to sail through without making mistakes. Thousands of people have broken the rules with COVID…only 2 days ago I stood behind someone at the supermarket who told the cashier she had just tested positive that morning and wouldn’t be able to see her husband who had just been admitted to a hospice. When questioned why she was in the Supermarket her answer was “I had no one else to get my shopping”. Most people are not stupid enough to admit it…but will have done the very same thing. Thousands will have had parties and gatherings when they shouldn’t have….this is the reason it’s spread and millions have died.
Boris was wrong to have had the parties…but my opinion is that overall I think he has done a good job.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands at least of still grieving relatives of lost loved ones who through, in part Johnson's procrastination and dangerous policy decisions, brought about over at least at the last estimate, 20,000 unnecessary deaths of loved ones.

I'll never forgive him for the losses of the 4 I lost and ALL unnecessarily too.
I'm longing to be ABLE to present mine and thousands of others evidence as to that,to the independent public inquiry WHEN he DARES hold it that is.
Since he's always refused point blank to meet with us, only seeing selected small groups.
Who he's even now offended further with the partying scandals.

As for no one doing it better, plenty other Nations in fact all but 7 haven't had the unnecessary death toll the UK has had.
However no one can know IF no one could have done better but I myself believe just about anyone could.

We are a vastly overcrowded , tiny little island with an ageing population .. it’s not rocket science tbh


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

He was never going to sail through without making mistakes. Thousands of people have broken the rules with COVID…only 2 days ago I stood behind someone at the supermarket who told the cashier she had just tested positive that morning and wouldn’t be able to see her husband who had just been admitted to a hospice. When questioned why she was in the Supermarket her answer was “I had no one else to get my shopping”. Most people are not stupid enough to admit it…but will have done the very same thing. Thousands will have had parties and gatherings when they shouldn’t have….this is the reason it’s spread and millions have died.
Boris was wrong to have had the parties…but my opinion is that overall I think he has done a good job.

Agreed !

Anyone would think that Boris was personally organising all these parties and writing the invitations himself ffs


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[LeatherTrumpet]

Sir Beer Starmer broke the rules

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

in british government it is the cabinet that make decisions, not the PM ... another misconception, its not like being a US president

Ok...but how is he lazy?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

We are a vastly overcrowded , tiny little island with an ageing population .. it’s not rocket science tbh


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With more vulnerable people who should have been given by their governing power the fullest and securest protection.

Not starved of PPE in care homes.
Not having untested patients sent out of hospitals to free up beds.
Taking covid back to care homes.

Staff in hospitals and care homes exposed to the virus by the government not preparing enough with protection equipment for both staff and patients and residents

Despite seeing what was happening in Italy and other areas of Europe 2 months before the government started to do anything.

Keep making excuses for him.
His official figures say just under 151,000 have lost their lives in the UK.
The ONS with one figure of theirs the government doesn't like using says it's more like 175,000+ who lost their lives.

Deceit and lies, procrastination and conflicting advice is the legacy of this government and PM on the pandemic.

The only thing done really well is the vaccine roll.out.
Yet there's still around 700 people losing their lives weekly.

Of course all Cons say is deaths are low, as if lives don't matter one bit.

Doesn't read like a success story to me nor to those hundreds of thousands with personal evidence which they long to present to the public independent inquiry as to their lost loved ones.

The vaccine yes, in the main a good decision by the government to hand the responsibility of issuing that to local authorities and the NHS.
That's really the only thing and doesn't bring back the at least 20,000+ lives of loved ones lost which could and SHOULD have been avoided.

Plus NONE of the above has anything to do with the ever growing list of partying scandals.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

With more vulnerable people who should have been given by their governing power the fullest and securest protection.

Not starved of PPE in care homes.
Not having untested patients sent out of hospitals to free up beds.
Taking covid back to care homes.

Staff in hospitals and care homes exposed to the virus by the government not preparing enough with protection equipment for both staff and patients and residents

Despite seeing what was happening in Italy and other areas of Europe 2 months before the government started to do anything.

Keep making excuses for him.
His official figures say just under 151,000 have lost their lives in the UK.
The ONS with one figure of theirs the government doesn't like using says it's more like 175,000+ who lost their lives.

Deceit and lies, procrastination and conflicting advice is the legacy of this government and PM on the pandemic.

The only thing done really well is the vaccine roll.out.
Yet there's still around 700 people losing their lives weekly.

Of course all Cons say is deaths are low, as if lives don't matter one bit.

Doesn't read like a success story to me nor to those hundreds of thousands with personal evidence which they long to present to the public independent inquiry as to their lost loved ones.

The vaccine yes, in the main a good decision by the government to hand the responsibility of issuing that to local authorities and the NHS.
That's really the only thing and doesn't bring back the at least 20,000+ lives of loved ones lost which could and SHOULD have been avoided.

We are just going around in circles .. we have no idea at all how Labour would have managed although looking at their cabinet of MPs and also going back through history - I wouldn’t be too optimistic at all .


It’s only a few days ago that a top guy was citing the UK as leading the way out if this dreadful situation and praising the way we’ve handled things sooooooo


I actually posted his comments in one of these threads but it’s not at hand sadly .

Maybe someone else can find it ..


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[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

"Of course all Cons say is deaths are low, as if lives don't matter one bit."

sorry what

you are stating all Conservative MPS and voters are saying this?

do you have any evidence to support this?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Of course all Cons say is deaths are low, as if lives don't matter one bit.

.

I have never heard one single person .. anywhere .. say that


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[glib]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

As for no one doing it better, plenty other Nations in fact all but 7 haven't had the unnecessary death toll the UK has had.
However no one can know IF no one could have done better but I myself believe just about anyone could.

Boris did not kill your 4 ‘loved ones’…

In fact he has prevented more deaths with his quick introduction of the vaccine

Looking at the deaths per million is a truer representation of how well a country has coped than simply looking at how many deaths a country has had…

The UK ranks 31st, far below the US, Italy, and Brazil.
Meanwhile on the rankings we’re rubbing shoulders with the likes of France and Spain.. countries with a *cough* similar population.. 🤷*♂️

Zizu makes a great point btw…

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Sir Beer Starmer broke the rules

He claims
he was working
Take away food arrived
and he had a beer with it.


In a way is shows during work some can drink.

On BBC1HD he was Live
but failed to say what he can do
if Johnson stays?

It is just Johnson Must Resign


The report by the Lady Starmer respects
is taking time.


This is Crazy wasting time on all this.
In my view.