[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I disagree with this. If you look at Starmers agenda, he seems to be talking more about being tough on crime than social inequality. That's exactly how you get the RW press to give you a chance.

But it won't matter because they'll just snap him eating a sandwich and be like 'do you trust a man who eats his sandwiches like this to run the country?!' and it'll work.

The only way Labour gets back in is if they out-tory the tories, because that's what the media wants, Tory governance protects the interests of the rich and powerful, labour governments that aren't bluecoats dressed in red do not.

[arista]

Sir Kier Speech is now 9AM BBC2HD


As the PM is in Parliament
around 12:30PM

[joeysteele]

The set they are speaking from is awful.

They needed a far better backdrop, to grab attention.
Especially with no audience atmosphere present.

[bitontheslide]

they needed to do the same as they did with the football ... simulated crowd noise .... oooohhh ... ahhhhh .... clap clap clap

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they needed to do the same as they did with the football ... simulated crowd noise .... oooohhh ... ahhhhh .... clap clap clap

Well something at least other than that boring background which has nothing eye-catching about it.

Although often at Labour conferences, applauding can be replaced be jeering.
Which is what I like to see.
You can't have a room filled with people and they all agree with everything said.

I hate the usual format of stage managed conference setting too.
However the background setting is at least more eye catching then.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But it won't matter because they'll just snap him eating a sandwich and be like 'do you trust a man who eats his sandwiches like this to run the country?!' and it'll work.

The only way Labour gets back in is if they out-tory the tories, because that's what the media wants, Tory governance protects the interests of the rich and powerful, labour governments that aren't bluecoats dressed in red do not.

It's always about the agenda, not the party. The last bit is exactly my point, a labour that moves right like Blair and Starmer will be welcomed, a party that fights for the original concerns of a labour party will be smeared.

It's why why the labour antisemitism smears originate from when Miliband (a jew) changed the party's stance towards Israel/Palestine.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they needed to do the same as they did with the football ... simulated crowd noise .... oooohhh ... ahhhhh .... clap clap clap

I've found the noise they can use for the HoC simulated full house!

Youtube video

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It's always about the agenda, not the party. The last bit is exactly my point, a labour that moves right like Blair and Starmer will be welcomed, a party that fights for the original concerns of a labour party will be smeared.

Yep, Blair wined & dined Murdoch for months. As did Cameron...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yep, Blair wined & dined Murdoch for months. As did Cameron...

He's also his son's godfather. Sell your soul to the rw press, and receive the riches your ambition desires.

[Nicky91]

yes why try come up with suggestions how to fight corona, when you can keep fighting the current government

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes why try come up with suggestions how to fight corona, when you can keep fighting the current government

I hate having to defend Starmer, but he's from the legal profession, not infectious diseases. It's the government that ignored the science, allowed advisors to do what they want, and then blamed young people.

His job as opposition to leader is to hold the government to account, although it's a shame he's only doing it on this and not the removal of transparency and the tory willingness to break the law, but still.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I hate having to defend Starmer, but he's from the legal profession, not infectious diseases. It's the government that ignored the science, allowed advisors to do what they want, and then blamed young people.

His job as opposition to leader is to hold the government to account, although it's a shame he's only doing it on this and not the removal of transparency and the tory willingness to break the law, but still.

our labour party over here does not attack our government, instead they are fighting for the people, more specific care workers that they get paid extra what they have full rights of, also doing interviews with other hardworking people who got to work extra shifts due to some vulnerable people rather want to stay home (which is what they are allowed to since this virus can kill them)

our Labour also has dropped massively, but now they are fighting their way up again, and i'd say great timing too before next years elections

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

our labour party over here does not attack our government, instead they are fighting for the people, more specific care workers that they get paid extra what they have full rights of, also doing interviews with other hardworking people who got to work extra shifts due to some vulnerable people rather want to stay home (which is what they are allowed to since this virus can kill them)

our Labour also has dropped massively, but now they are fighting their way up again, and i'd say great timing too before next years elections

You probably have a very different media over there. A party that fights for people rather than pointing out which people it's ok to hate, won't do very well over here.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I hate having to defend Starmer, but he's from the legal profession, not infectious diseases. It's the government that ignored the science, allowed advisors to do what they want, and then blamed young people.

His job as opposition to leader is to hold the government to account, although it's a shame he's only doing it on this and not the removal of transparency and the tory willingness to break the law, but still.

it's funny you should say that, on the news this morning they were saying that the government were listening to the scientists and not industry.

I don't think the government have done a good job, but i don't think they can win whatever line they take

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's funny you should say that, on the news this morning they were saying that the government were listening to the scientists and not industry.

I don't think the government have done a good job, but i don't think they can win whatever line they take

Well we know for a fact that masks were recommended back in may, we know for a fact boris ignored the initial science as he gave a speech in february saying we would be staying open throughout, we know for a fact he was telling everyone he was shaking hands, and loads of other facts I could list with time and the inclination.

Doesn't really matter what the news says when we've all been alive through it.

[arista]

His 9AM speech was OK
but told me nothing new


One problem Sir Kier
has, like Corbyn
he hates conflicts.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[Keir Starmer: Boris Johnson has
‘lost control’ of Covid-19 pandemic

[Labour leader blasts government for its lack
of leadership and U-turns,
as he outlines his own five-point plan to fight the virus


Johnson has “lost control” of the fight against
Covid-19 and has no clear strategy
for defeating the virus,
the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, says today
in his most savage attack yet on the government’s
handling of the pandemic.
As the number of confirmed cases rose
alarmingly yesterday,
Starmer accused the prime minister
of “serial incompetence”,
saying the British people have been let down
and left angry and confused by policies that
change almost every week.]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...id-19-pandemic


Look Keir
you have 4 years for a General Election
You appear to be getting nasty?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Look Keir
you have 4 years for a General Election
You appear to be getting nasty?

What do you think the Opposition are meant to do?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What do you think the Opposition are meant to do?

Make better sense.


I am not confused
I follow Rules

[joeysteele]

Has lost control of the virus.

He lost that a while back.

I think Starmer makes measured criticism and any attacks have been justified.
I'd like him to go further.

I for sure would, with all I'd like to fire at Johnson and Hancock, nasty it would be and I wouldn't give a damn about doing so either.

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Unite Union
to pull out of Labour.

Not really.
Just cut funding by 10%
Fair enough, they'll get nothing from this Con government, now or in the future either.

The funding could be cut more, that's the union's choice and right.
If it's the union members choice that is.
I believe in responsible unions.
Not ones that want to dictate however.

Starmer needs to appeal to wider than the union membership to have success in elections.
I don't think this petty whining from Mr McCluskey will do Starmer any major harm.

[arista]

https://labourlist.org/2020/10/starm...-leader-today/

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