[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Maybe because we left the EU on the 31st Brexit was slightly relevant. At that time we had 2 cases in the UK

And maybe it's because it's because he's a weak leader. If he wasn't he'd have realised that during a global pandemic we have more important things to worry about and we require relevant and up to date information on that?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And maybe it's because it's because he's a weak leader. If he wasn't he'd have realised that during a global pandemic we have more important things to worry about and we require relevant and up to date information on that?

You do realise it wasnt a global pandemic in January?

[Denver]

And you can say it was because WHO told me but the facts are you cant fall something a global pandemic when only a few people had died

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

We don't even know yet if strict lockdown AT ALL was a good idea, we won't know for years, I personally still think the after-effects are probably going to be so far beyond what people are imagining that it'll be viewed, in historic terms, as a catastrophic global error of judgement. A chapter entitled "lol... wups" in the history books of the year 2220. My feeling is that the next decade is going to make the last few months look like a holiday camp, and 1000-deaths-a-day look like good old times.

But we'll see, I guess. As Kizzy points out I'm not an expert but then there are no experts in any of this, because the world is in entirely uncharted territory, feeling its way along a wall like Sandra Bullock in a blindfold. So there's that.

We'll see, I guess.

No you're not, there are epidemiologists though who thankfully are experts. I think they will do a better job than you or Sandra

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No you're not, there are epidemiologists though who thankfully are experts. I think they will do a better job than you or Sandra

Bit not you who are cloaming to know more then anyone else?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

You do realise it wasnt a global pandemic in January?

30 January 2020

The WHO Director-General reconvened the Emergency Committee (EC). This was earlier than the 10-day period and only two days after the first reports of limited human-to-human transmission were reported outside China. This time, the EC reached consensus and advised the Director-General that the outbreak constituted a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). The Director-General accepted the recommendation and declared the novel coronavirus outbreak (2019-nCoV) a PHEIC.*This is the 6th time WHO has declared a PHEIC since the International Health Regulations (IHR) came into force in 2005.

[MTVN]

The WHO did not announce a global pandemic until March 11th

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

30 January 2020

The WHO Director-General reconvened the Emergency Committee (EC). This was earlier than the 10-day period and only two days after the first reports of limited human-to-human transmission were reported outside China. This time, the EC reached consensus and advised the Director-General that the outbreak constituted a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). The Director-General accepted the recommendation and declared the novel coronavirus outbreak (2019-nCoV) a PHEIC.*This is the 6th time WHO has declared a PHEIC since the International Health Regulations (IHR) came into force in 2005.

You cant call something with less then 10 deaths a global pandemic at that point, countries had to seek advice on the situation and do what they thought was best and the earliest advice was only the old wherein danger so that's why they were protected at first

[Denver]

I know on the 26th of January china had about 200 cases and 3 deaths and its had 1 case in a about 8 other countries so there is no way you would call that a global pandemic

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No you're not, there are epidemiologists though who thankfully are experts. I think they will do a better job than you or Sandra

I'm not trying to do any sort of "job", I'm having an opinion. I know it confuses you when people exist who have opinions that differ from yours, Kizzy, but considering a couple of weeks ago you thought that the four common coronavirus strains were "This one", "The Bird Flu", "A sneeze" and "That feeling you get when something spicy goes down the wrong way" I'm content with following the official advice of the experts, whilst maintaining my own opinions and not having them altered by whatever you happen to have read most recently.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The WHO did not announce a global pandemic until March 11th

That's right ok yes but prior to that it was still a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). Which has enough gravitas to warrant a mention don't you think?... it's a bit of a game changer in relation to international relations.

[Denver]

Also people are forgetting that everyone was told the young and healthy would surive it and very unlikely to catch it again hence why Boris went ahead with allowing people to stay and and not social distance it wasnt something he did out of spite he did what he was advised

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

You cant call something with less then 10 deaths a global pandemic at that point, countries had to seek advice on the situation and do what they thought was best and the earliest advice was only the old wherein danger so that's why they were protected at first

You're right it wasn't a pandemic, was reading the wrong link in the timeline however a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC) is still pretty serious therefore the point I made initially about it not even warranting a mention in his brexit speech on 31st of Jan is still valid.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not trying to do any sort of "job", I'm having an opinion. I know it confuses you when people exist who have opinions that differ from yours, Kizzy, but considering a couple of weeks ago you thought that the four common coronavirus strains were "This one", "The Bird Flu", "A sneeze" and "That feeling you get when something spicy goes down the wrong way" I'm content with following the official advice of the experts, whilst maintaining my own opinions and not having them altered by whatever you happen to have read most recently.

TS.. calm down, I passed a comment on your post you didn't like it I get it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Bit not you who are cloaming to know more then anyone else?

I'm not cloaming anything.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

The country was lockdown because people didnt care they was advised to social distance so what did that do? Get closer to strangers then they get have done.

It was a very last case scenario that could have been avoided

And it seems to work for Sweden as they dont have a massive death count

Sweden’s population is 10 million our population is over 60 million, they’re death count would of course be lower regardless

[Livia]

"Boris to resign trending..." In the title.

All you need to know about this thread. Anti-government propaganda supported with dubious statistics and hindsight.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Samm

Sweden’s population is 10 million our population is over 60 million, they’re death count would of course be lower regardless

Statistics I've seen are worked out per head of capita.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Samm

Sweden’s population is 10 million our population is over 60 million, they’re death count would of course be lower regardless

Yes but people listen over there where as more people went out then usually when they was advised to stay in which was the reason for a full lockdown.

The state of people in clubs and bars was horrendous when they was told to stay home and now those same people are the o es telling people to stay at home and be safe.

You have to blame the government for letting people to do it and not being stricter but also blame the people who didnt and still dont give af about spreading it.

I do think we should have gone into lockdown the day he advices people to stay in doors

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Statistics I've seen are worked out per head of capita.

Are these non dubious stats though?...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Yes but people listen over there where as more people went out then usually when they was advised to stay in which was the reason for a full lockdown.

The state of people in clubs and bars was horrendous when they was told to stay hsdome and now those same people are the o es telling people to stay at home and be safe.

You have to blame the government for letting people to do it and not being stricter but also blame the people who didnt and still dont give af about spreading it.

I do think we should have gone into lockdown the day he advices people to stay in doors

So true they had to be forced to stay at home, they really needed the nanny state to step in but are now complaining it wasn’t done soon enough when there was an advisory out for at least a week before lockdown to stay at home

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are these non dubious stats though?...

Who knows? I rarely post stats because they're mostly fiction.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

TS.. calm down, I passed a comment on your post you didn't like it I get it.

You're aggressively baiting but w/e

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

"Boris to resign trending..." In the title.

All you need to know about this thread. Anti-government propaganda supported with dubious statistics and hindsight.

Stating facts is propaganda now?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Stating facts is propaganda now?

Facts? Looking back and telling someone you would have done it differently is not facts.