[Liam-]

Oh, so now the big gay Tory wants to be critical? A little too late sunshine

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Oh, so now the big gay Tory wants to be critical? A little too late sunshine

Phil wants to be up to date.


He even started with Janet Street Porter
and Matt Wright

[arista]

May the 18th
Jury trials to start up again
Using more Live monitor links

The 12 Jury Members will have to be seperated more
for safety

SkyNewsHD Live

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Oh, so now the big gay Tory wants to be critical? A little too late sunshine

Ffffff

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

May the 18th
Jury trials to start up again
Using more Live monitor links

The 12 Jury Members will have to be seperated more
for safety

SkyNewsHD Live

M21 will get his wish to stay at home

[Babayaro.]

I would like to see why Caprimint thinks they have done a good job?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

I would like to see why Caprimint thinks they have done a good job?

She said excellent job last time, so clearly yesterday’s message has knocked a few points off

[GoldHeart]

What the hell is Boris playing at I'm not even surprised by his stupidity, I didn't even bother watching it yesterday evening .

[The Slim Reaper]

Via skynews for James

[arista]

Yes Slim
Johnson Bad Plan
Getting more Infected

[Tom4784]

Sacrifice the vulnerable for the benefit of the rich, the tories have had enough with pretending to care about anyone who isn't at least a millonaire.

[Toy Soldier]

In all honesty I think they're panicking but I don't think this is just a UK issue right now; most of Europe is going back to work and, in terms of the spread, far too early. It's not just too early for the UK, it's too early for every country that's aiming to get back to work.

The problem of course is... markets. Markets are spooked by lack of confidence, and thus, telling the truth can make matters worse. What is happening right now is that world leaders know we are on the verge of a catastrophic economic crash. This isn't about prioritising the rich over the workers... ... this is about the entire system coming down in a way that is completely unprecedented. I think we are in serious, serious trouble.

But the government can't come out and say "Look guys it's not ideal but if we don't go back to work now, we're not going back to work at all, and millions of people are going to die, not of Covid-19, but because everything will start to break down".

They can't say that because it will panic the public. They can't say that because it will spook the markets and make it even worse. So what you get is "half a message" that doesn't make any sense unless you look hard between the lines.

Especially as most people simply do not and can not understand that a financial crash is just as dangerous as Covid. More dangerous by an order of magnitude if it gets bad enough. I hope we don't find out.

Essentially it's this:

Govts.: "We have to all get back to work now"
Public/Media: "Isn't it too early, isn't that dangerous?"
Govts: "Well... yes s be really careful, it absolutely is dangerous."
Public/Media: "But we still should?"
Govts: "Yes."
Public/Media: "WTF why???"
Govts: "...lol "
Public/Media: "WHY???"
Govts: "Cant tell u lol!"

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sacrifice the vulnerable for the benefit of the rich, the tories have had enough with pretending to care about anyone who isn't at least a millonaire.

That sounds Criminal

[arista]

[In all honesty I think they're panicking but I don't think this is just a UK issue right now; most of Europe is going back to work and, in terms of the spread, far too early. It's not just too early for the UK, it's too early for every country that's aiming to get back to work.]

Yes TS
Germany infection has gone back UP
since they changed things.

[Liam-]

[Cherie]

In parts of Spain their restaurants and bars will open today....8 weeks after they locked down, not for everywhere but for areas of low infection

in the UK bars and restaurants may open 4 July ..15 weeks after they first locked down....

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Grim

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Via skynews for James

Oh c'mon Slim this would have happened anyway ,people were already flouting the rules.maybe he should stop treating us like adults and order us to stay put like little kids, ,would that satisfy everyone ? I doubt it,hes in a difficult position here,I don't get why people can't understand what he said, use common sense IF you think something is risky,dont do it

[arista]

For Kaz

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh c'mon Slim this would have happened anyway ,people were already flouting the rules.maybe he should stop treating us like adults and order us to stay put like little kids, ,would that satisfy everyone ? I doubt it,hes in a difficult position here,I don't get why people can't understand what he said, use common sense IF you think something is risky,dont do it

Kaz, I have no idea what you're on about. You think this is sensible behaviour during a pandemic involving a virus 10x more contagious than flu and that can remain asymptomatic for 14 days?

I didn't post any criticism, I just posted the tweet. At some point, you have to stop trying to defend every single fcuk up the government makes. Every unclear instruction, every time they wash their hands of responsibility.

You voted for this chaos, so talk about what you think they're doing really well. I mean, you watched the same briefing as the rest of us, and yet somehow, you think he was clear in his instructions. Why is everyone else biased, but you're the only one seeing things on an even keel?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh c'mon Slim this would have happened anyway ,people were already flouting the rules.maybe he should stop treating us like adults and order us to stay put like little kids, ,would that satisfy everyone ? I doubt it,hes in a difficult position here,I don't get why people can't understand what he said, use common sense IF you think something is risky,dont do it

This would have happened anyway? It has happened as a direct result of yesterday’s briefing.

Business owner billionaires have been given the green light and the sharp majority of those commuters were welcomed back to work by Email.

You’ve got to understand we share a country with a **** load of idiots. There would have been hundreds of thousands more deaths without any instructions, and there would have been tens of thousands less deaths with good instructions.

This guy is directly responsible for at a guess, 5k deaths or more in the next three weeks, when we could have instead minimised it to very little deaths instead.

That video is just proof that it’s already begun.

Be ashamed of your leader - most of the rest of the country is.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In parts of Spain their restaurants and bars will open today....8 weeks after they locked down, not for everywhere but for areas of low infection

in the UK bars and restaurants may open 4 July ..15 weeks after they first locked down....

Yes but if the Death rate keeps rising
cancel that, go back to Lockdown


Spain has good far outside seating
more than we do.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In all honesty I think they're panicking but I don't think this is just a UK issue right now; most of Europe is going back to work and, in terms of the spread, far too early. It's not just too early for the UK, it's too early for every country that's aiming to get back to work.

The problem of course is... markets. Markets are spooked by lack of confidence, and thus, telling the truth can make matters worse. What is happening right now is that world leaders know we are on the verge of a catastrophic economic crash. This isn't about prioritising the rich over the workers... ... this is about the entire system coming down in a way that is completely unprecedented. I think we are in serious, serious trouble.

But the government can't come out and say "Look guys it's not ideal but if we don't go back to work now, we're not going back to work at all, and millions of people are going to die, not of Covid-19, but because everything will start to break down".

They can't say that because it will panic the public. They can't say that because it will spook the markets and make it even worse. So what you get is "half a message" that doesn't make any sense unless you look hard between the lines.

Especially as most people simply do not and can not understand that a financial crash is just as dangerous as Covid. More dangerous by an order of magnitude if it gets bad enough. I hope we don't find out.

Essentially it's this:

Govts.: "We have to all get back to work now"
Public/Media: "Isn't it too early, isn't that dangerous?"
Govts: "Well... yes s be really careful, it absolutely is dangerous."
Public/Media: "But we still should?"
Govts: "Yes."
Public/Media: "WTF why???"
Govts: "...lol "
Public/Media: "WHY???"
Govts: "Cant tell u lol!"

That makes pretty scary reading TS

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

That makes pretty scary reading TS

It is scary, and I think even people who do understand why it's scary sort of want to ignore it for the time being - an attitude of "well OK but let's get Covid out of the way and THEN we'll worry about the aftermath". I'm worried that it's going to be far, far too late. People in the western world have been living in a relatively pretty bubble for 70+ years and think that our standard of living can't really, dramatically change. People are perhaps imagining a bit of a recession like 2008. Some service cuts that are frustrating, some wage freezing, etc.

That is not what we're looking at right now. If 2008's global recession was a roll down a bumpy hill, this is going to be a cliff-dive with no parachute. It's the ugly elephant in the room that no one wants to look at because of the Covid gremlin in the other corner.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is scary, and I think even people who do understand why it's scary sort of want to ignore it for the time being - an attitude of "well OK but let's get Covid out of the way and THEN we'll worry about the aftermath". I'm worried that it's going to be far, far too late. People in the western world have been living in a relatively pretty bubble for 70+ years and think that our standard of living can't really, dramatically change. People are perhaps imagining a bit of a recession like 2008. Some service cuts that are frustrating, some wage freezing, etc.

That is not what we're looking at right now. If 2008's global recession was a roll down a bumpy hill, this is going to be a cliff-dive with no parachute. It's the ugly elephant in the room that no one wants to look at because of the Covid gremlin in the other corner.

There is never going to be a good time to go back out into the world, and the longer it is left the more fearful people will get and the more jobs will be lost, governments really are stuck between a rock and a hard place