[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Not by much,we all know the majority on here are not Tory supporters so the results are going to be pretty obvious each time, have the Tories come out on top at all ?

What do you mean have the tories come out on top?! This isn’t about if people support the tories, this is about if they’ve handled this pandemic well and the answer is NO, I imagine there’s people that have voted terrible that voted for the tories in the last election

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Smithy

What do you mean have the tories come out on top?! This isn’t about if people support the tories, this is about if they’ve handled this pandemic well and the answer is NO, I imagine there’s people that have voted terrible that voted for the tories in the last election

Smithy, you've been posting anti-Tory stuff since the pandemic kicked off. Don't try to pretend that this isn't political.

Are they doing a good job? I think they've done okay so far, but we're in uncharted waters, no one's had to cope with this in the last hundred years. Do I think that Labour would have done better? No.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Smithy, you've been posting anti-Tory stuff since the pandemic kicked off. Don't try to pretend that this isn't political.

Are they doing a good job? I think they've done okay so far, but we're in uncharted waters, no one's had to cope with this in the last hundred years. Do I think that Labour would have done better? No.

Why do you always have to make it personal? stick to the topic at hand please Livia

[Kizzy]

I have been extremely generous in only putting bad job this far and as a Labour supporter that pains me, there are areas that have been terrible but I'm hoping against hope they will manage this phasing out of lockdown effectively while protecting everyone to prevent another spike.

Can I point out that as I showed in the last poll tibb responses were aligned with the general population.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

So basically you acknowledge that people personally know exactly what they should do, and you are making a judgement that others are too stupid to understand it. That says more about you than it does about the government.

You think the death rate will go up or down in the next three weeks?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh c'mon, lol, you knew what the result would be.

I actually wasn’t expecting ‘terrible’ to go from 18% to 70% because that’s a ****ing crazy difference.

But it is fair considering the mess they’ve made this week. There are yet to be coherent arguments as to why they should be considered good on this thread.

Just the usual nonsense about labour and tories, and left and right wing, and nothing specific about the handling of the pandemic

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

The poll has been posted every week and the results have changed each time

Yes very true
Slick Smithy

[Tom4784]

It's a pandemic, if you're more concerned with defending your party of choice over scrutinising the government over how they are handling things then you're priorities are honestly ****ed.

Boris ****ed up on Sunday and the government's messaging since then has been mixed, contradictory and ineffective. It doesn't matter which party is in charge, a response like this should be criticised.

Look beyond your own agendas and see the bigger picture.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Withano

You think the death rate will go up or down in the next three weeks?

the death rate will reflect the number of infected and their demographic as it always has. People are going to die until we get a vaccine or effective treatment, all we can do is keep it so that the NHS is not overwhelmed, I don't know why people are finding that so difficult to understand. If people practice effective social distancing, there should be no marked increase that would cause the NHS to buckle

[Withano]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the death rate will reflect the number of infected and their demographic as it always has. People are going to die until we get a vaccine or effective treatment, all we can do is keep it so that the NHS is not overwhelmed, I don't know why people are finding that so difficult to understand. If people practice effective social distancing, there should be no marked increase that would cause the NHS to buckle

You think people are just as likely to practice social distancing (with more people going to work, and teens facing no consequences for meeting with their friends so long as they’re not caught being close)?

You can repeat yourself but you’re looking at the prime ministers words with a very self-centred way. You being careful means **** all if a couple hundred from your local supermarket aren’t. And that’s why you’re in the minority on this thread. Everybody else understands this.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

Are they doing a good job? I think they've done okay so far, but we're in uncharted waters, no one's had to cope with this in the last hundred years. Do I think that Labour would have done better? No.

No one's had to deal with this ever; 100 years ago the global population was 1/4 of what it is now (less than 2 billion) and the way the economy functioned was entirely different. We are literally in completely uncharted waters. The human species has fought viruses before... we get there in the end with them, sometimes with a tragic toll, but in terms of physiology, we've evolved to do that part.

The vast modern global economy is less than 50 years old and shutting it down in the way we have, for any amount of time, is COMPLETELY new (and honestly quite terrifying) territory. It's a massive scale social and economic experiment and we have literally no idea what the effects are going to be. None of them are going to be good. Some of them are going to be catastrophic.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the death rate will reflect the number of infected and their demographic as it always has. People are going to die until we get a vaccine or effective treatment, all we can do is keep it so that the NHS is not overwhelmed, I don't know why people are finding that so difficult to understand. If people practice effective social distancing, there should be no marked increase that would cause the NHS to buckle

I think it may go up a bit next week bots due to the lovely weather last week and some people ignoring the distance rule,hope not though.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Boris ****ed up on Sunday

I do think this is the part where even people who think they're generally doing OK need to conceed a bit; Boris' "speech" on Sunday was an absolute shambles. Like... in any scenario. It was just bad. Muddled, unclear, ineffective and lacking in anything resembling confident leadership.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I do think this is the part where even people who think they're generally doing OK need to conceed a bit; Boris' "speech" on Sunday was an absolute shambles. Like... in any scenario. It was just bad. Muddled, unclear, ineffective and lacking in anything resembling confident leadership.

i don't disagree with that, but at it's heart we are in a democracy, where people expect and are granted freedom to practice common sense, where guidelines have been given.

I asked a genuine question earlier, does anyone honestly not understand at this point what they need to do to keep safe. I'm still waiting on 1 person to say they don't know what to do and yet we have so many saying the message is confusing ... it doesn't add up, sorry, it is politically driven hate toward the government ... and i didn't vote at the last election so i am no fan of Boris

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't disagree with that, but at it's heart we are in a democracy, where people expect and are granted freedom to practice common sense, where guidelines have been given.

I asked a genuine question earlier, does anyone honestly not understand at this point what they need to do to keep safe. I'm still waiting on 1 person to say they don't know what to do and yet we have so many saying the message is confusing ... it doesn't add up, sorry, it is politically driven hate toward the government ... and i didn't vote at the last election so i am no fan of Boris

Do folks know what to do because of Boris' message, or in spite of it? No one is keeping themselves completely safe, unless they're living in a bunker with enough canned goods to see out the apocalypse.

The only thing we can do is mitigate the risk as much as possible, but now boris has given an excuse to those that wanted to scrap being sensible, then even our mitigated risk is now a lot higher because we don't know what everyone else is doing to keep themselves as safe as possible.

627 deaths reported in last 24hrs, so pretty much nothing has happened to give Boris or any other parties leader the green light to kick everyone back into the petri dish without reason.

[The Slim Reaper]

Chris Giles is the economics editor for the FT.

If you open the whole thread, he offers some more optimistic information too.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I think it may go up a bit next week bots due to the lovely weather last week and some people ignoring the distance rule,hope not though.

Why are you being like this

[Oliver_W]

Given that by all accounts BoJo had always wanted to be PM, I really dared to hope he'd really come into his own during this crisis, and would come out swinging and really knock it out of the park, especially since getting the illness himself.

Alas, not...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Given that by all accounts BoJo had always wanted to be PM, I really dared to hope he'd really come into his own during this crisis, and would come out swinging and really knock it out of the park, especially since getting the illness himself.

Alas, not...

He's out of his depth, he's a career politician... not a leader... and that's becoming increasingly clear. The "game" of politics - the game he's very good at - is about charming people, manipulating, negotiating and rising through the ranks.

Now he's in the top job with nowhere to go and, surprise surprise, he seems to be totally lost. You can't charm, manipulate or negotiate with a virus... his primary skillset is useless here, in a crisis situation.