[Ninastar]

I was exposed to someone with the rona last week and now I have symptoms, so I’m waiting to get my test results back

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Welp

Hey look on the bright side, at least they aren’t being violent and attacking the police as has been happening pretty regularly over the last few weeks at the illegal street parties eh Smithy, I didn’t see you posting any tweets on that thread?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I was exposed to someone with the rona last week and now I have symptoms, so I’m waiting to get my test results back

Hang in there.
Is it a fast test
or longer?

[MTVN]

If people calmly drinking on Sohos streets is the biggest scandal of the night then there wasn't the carnage that a lot of people were predicting. Knew there would be people skulking around areas with lots of bars hoping to get the picture which would grace newspaper's front pages showing what an unruly mob the public are and whipping up outrage but that looks no bigger danger than the beaches, the protests, the illegal raves etc etc

[arista]

[If people calmly drinking on Sohos streets is the biggest scandal]

Yes its a problem all over the UK
Some are in the same house
so OK, but they are all to close to each other.
And No Mask
Its a air born virus - so some will have spread it

[joeysteele]

Well I hope there is no rise in cases.
I hope overall, people do this sensibly.
I still think the government has been too hasty in relaxing the lockdown this way.

It isn't really about rowdyism or getting violent.

It's the fact you can't see this virus, the fact that you may not even know you have it, nor be able to notice others that have.

It's that slip that can be made after a few drinks, you then see someone you haven't seen for a good while.
So get closer to them.
The social distancing out the window.

Then if anyone or more do pick up this virus from another.
They then after their pub socialising,take that infection home, to their neighbours and if applicable even their workplaces.

The success of this, or relief of no more major concern from it, will be determined by infection rates and possible deaths resulting from any being infected while out drinking or eating.

Not whether they rioted or got violent.
This is a virus you can't see, you can't physically see it to avoid it, if someone has it.

[arista]

Matt Hancock MP (Health Sec)
Like on Ridge SkyNewsHD now

https://news.sky.com/watch-live
Watch Live in Full HD Free


Outside BBC Central London building
he is also on Marr starting from 9AM.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Matt Hancock MP (Health Sec)
Like on Ridge SkyNewsHD now


Outside BBC Central London building
he is also on Marr starting from 9AM.

Honestly, I can't listen to him anymore..
He's been so deceitful and politically lied continuously on this pandemic.

He's just not to be trusted whatever he says now.

He rarely gets any challenge either and he'll never be really challenged likely by Marr.

To add to my post earlier.
I'm surprised the view is its been fine,because there was no violent scenes or arguments of note.

It isn't fighting or hitting someone that's the danger particularly with this virus.

It's if you're too close to those who have it, or hug them or shake hands with them.
Then infect someone else more vulnerable or elderly.

Nothing at all to do with violent behaviour.

[arista]

Also Shadow Chancellor
Anneliese Dodds MP
On Ridge Live

Also outside BBC
as she is is also on Marr.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by arista

[If people calmly drinking on Sohos streets is the biggest scandal]

Yes its a problem all over the UK
Some are in the same house
so OK, but they are all to close to each other.
And No Mask
Its a air born virus - so some will have spread it

Well there's a bit of a problem in that you can't drink with a mask on. You'd probably be doing more harm than good by constantly taking it on and off with your hands close to your face

I also don't think the virus is believed to be airborne? There is though a clear view that the chance of transmission outdoors is much lower than any indoor environment

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well there's a bit of a problem in that you can't drink with a mask on. You'd probably be doing more harm than good by constantly taking it on and off with your hands close to your face

I also don't think the virus is believed to be airborne? There is though a clear view that the chance of transmission outdoors is much lower than any indoor environment

the virus can be transmitted through the air, but it's not airborne in the true definition

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

[If people calmly drinking on Sohos streets is the biggest scandal]

Yes its a problem all over the UK
Some are in the same house
so OK, but they are all to close to each other.
And No Mask
Its a air born virus - so some will have spread it

It is airborne it's thought, not known, for a short time..
However if someone has this virus and is close to you, coughs or even possibly just talking to you directly.

Then in their breath, the virus is present and it's not made of lead.
It doesn't immediately drop to the ground.

You can be infected by it if you're in close proximity to someone who has it.
Hence the Cheltenham fiasco, a major outdoor event.
We've been told this since before the lockdown.
Plus of course it can live on hard or plastic surfaces for up to 3 days we've been told.

Well let's hope all those pub tables REALLY are wiped down thoroughly after every occupant of them.

[Cherie]

Reports on Marr that the majority of pubs and restaurants had no issues with patrons not distancing

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Reports on Marr that the majority of pubs and restaurants had no issues with patrons not distancing

we will see if there is a spike in infections in a couple of weeks. The vast majority may have been fine, but the Soho pictures didn't look good, a bit like the beach photos didn't look good. Only time will tell

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

we will see if there is a spike in infections in a couple of weeks. The vast majority may have been fine, but the Soho pictures didn't look good, a bit like the beach photos didn't look good. Only time will tell

Neither did marching, or street parties, or raves, the beaches, at least their details will have been taken...we hope

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Reports on Marr that the majority of pubs and restaurants had no issues with patrons not distancing

It's not just the majority of pubs that need to not have any problems with social distancing.
It needs to be ' all ' of them.
That's what's meant from opening up safely.

This virus isn't just going to hang around in infected people, only the pubs where the distancing is being strictly observed.

What number is the majority.
In every 100 pubs/ restaurants 51 is a majority.

A majority is just that, more than half of them but not all of them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It's not just the majority of pubs that need to not have any problems with social distancing.
It needs to be ' all ' of them.
That's what's meant from opening up safely.

This virus isn't just going to hang around in infected people, only the pubs where the distancing is being strictly observed.

What number is the majority.
In every 100 pubs/ restaurants 51 is a majority.

A majority is just that, more than half of them but not all of them.

People have to taken personal responsibility as well, if they don’t care about their communities what can anyone do

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

People have to taken personal responsibility as well, if they don’t care about their communities what can anyone do

If a pub is open and wants to be open.
It should be made to ensure social distancing and all hygiene is carried out.

Otherwise not be open.
Avoiding risks is better than opening up risks.

Frankly, I can't see how it can be possible in open pubs/ restaurants.

I honestly cannot see where even after only a few drinks, never mind too much.
Where the caution of safety for self and others will stay in place.
Either as to physical contact or more carelessness of tables and other surfaces in these places.

A quiet country pub will be more successful I'd guess, however I doubt anywhere else in the major cities, that all can be watched and all done to the full necessary hygienic safety too.

That should be the real concern.
It is for me anyway.

[bitontheslide]

we can grind our teeth about it but it's pure speculation until we see infection figures/hospital admissions over the next couple of weeks. We know the media like to sensationalise, it's easy to pick a street (not in control of the pubs) and say ... wow that looks busy ... tut tut ... compared to potential millions of people doing the right thing ... we don't know

I also saw pictures from japan with busy streets and no social distancing, and it didn't harm them.

We can't control other people, and we have to at least try and get the economy rolling again. If in a couple of weeks there is a dangerous spike, then they can act on that, but we have to wait and see. If we always fear the worst we will always sit in our caves, and never do anything again.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well there's a bit of a problem in that you can't drink with a mask on. You'd probably be doing more harm than good by constantly taking it on and off with your hands close to your face

I also don't think the virus is believed to be airborne? There is though a clear view that the chance of transmission outdoors is much lower than any indoor environment

It’s transmitted through particles produced from coughing, sneezing and droplets sprayed while talking, but those particles can linger and travel in the air for some time

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

we can grind our teeth about it but it's pure speculation until we see infection figures/hospital admissions over the next couple of weeks. We know the media like to sensationalise, it's easy to pick a street (not in control of the pubs) and say ... wow that looks busy ... tut tut ... compared to potential millions of people doing the right thing ... we don't know

I also saw pictures from japan with busy streets and no social distancing, and it didn't harm them.

We can't control other people, and we have to at least try and get the economy rolling again. If in a couple of weeks there is a dangerous spike, then they can act on that, but we have to wait and see. If we always fear the worst we will always sit in our caves, and never do anything again.

I'll happily stay in my cave than put any more of my loved ones at risk or myself.

If someone was charging round the streets with a loaded gun, I wouldn't venture out
I can't see this danger so I'll do all I can to ensure I lose no more people or even my own life

If others wish to be reckless and take risks with themselves or to others, then that's for their eventual conscience.

Money and a strong economy are no use to those no longer alive.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'll happily stay in my cave than put any more of my loved ones at risk or myself.

If someone was charging round the streets with a loaded gun, I wouldn't venture out
I can't see this danger so I'll do all I can to ensure I lose no more people or even my own life

If others wish to be reckless and take risks with themselves or to others, then that's for their eventual conscience.

Money and a strong economy are no use to those no longer alive.

i will happily sit in my cave too, no way i will venture out to pubs etc until i know it's safe, and I do think things could have been done differently, without pandering to the airlines and the hospitality industry ... but again, if in 2 weeks time way say told you so ... then we can legitimately attack the government, but if there is no change in infections/hospitalisations then we should equally applaud them for getting things moving

I can't stand Boris, but I don't think there is a right answer in this, we can only wait and see what happens

[Nicky91]

Australia is still in lockdown yes, but they also have while it wasn't as bad anymore, they are just extra precautious (like most countries should be tbh)

[Cherie]

I’ve said it foe weeks, we have to risk assess ourselves and do what’s right socially for our own families and friends, we can’t police other people actions nor should we want to