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Old 10-08-2020, 01:12 PM #3726
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There is persistent and increasing evidence that people in a pub environment allow essential things like social distancing and hand hygiene to slip once alcohol starts to come into the equation, and we also know that staff are powerless to enforce compliance. We can keep ignoring that and pretending that this is not the case, that there's no difference between pubs and bars and other places where precautions can be taken, but it would take a lot to convince me that it isn't largely cognitive dissonance from people who don't want it to be the case. It's not that non-essential retail, or cafes, theatres, museums are more worthwhile than pubs but the question is "worthwhile vs risk". If people were getting too relaxed, letting their guard down, getting physically close and forgetting to wash their hands after three pints at the museum then yes that would be a problem too but it isn't the case. It IS the case in pubs whether people like that or not. It is the case whether you and your friends are being careful or not. A large enough proportion of patrons are letting the protective measures slip and that's enough.
where is the evidence for people not social distancing in pubs? or is it something that is being assumed to fit a narrative?

There is hard evidence of people not social distancing when visiting others homes, and action has been taken on that.

Just to put it in perspective, I last visited a pub at Christmas, and the time before that was the previous Christmas, so I have no invested interest in pubs being open, but I don't think they should be singled out for negative treatment unless there is hard evidence that pubs are causing a problem and 2 pubs closing is not evidence.
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where is the evidence for people not social distancing in pubs? or is it something that is being assumed to fit a narrative?

There is hard evidence of people not social distancing when visiting others homes, and action has been taken on that.

Just to put it in perspective, I last visited a pub at Christmas, and the time before that was the previous Christmas, so I have no invested interest in pubs being open, but I don't think they should be singled out for negative treatment unless there is hard evidence that pubs are causing a problem and 2 pubs closing is not evidence.
I'm not actually advocating for closing them all right this minute; I think there are serious concerns that are being brushed under the carpet for other reasons (public morale seems likely) and my concern, really, is that a close eye won't be kept on it because of "what we want to be the case" vs "what is actually happening". A couple closing is not a mandate to close them all, it IS an indication that it's a situation in need of monitoring and that we should at the very least be open to the possibility of closing optional leisure services (of any kind) over closing other essential services like non-covid healthcare and education services. There seems to be a huge push-back against that that I just don't really understand.

So I'm not saying close all the doors immediately - my concern is that excuses will be made to the point where the doors won't be closed until after the horse has bolted... something that we have seen repeatedly in the last 6 months.

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I think the track & trace app is meant to be moving today but considering I work for it I haven’t received any info.
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There is persistent and increasing evidence that people in a pub environment allow essential things like social distancing and hand hygiene to slip once alcohol starts to come into the equation, and we also know that staff are powerless to enforce compliance. We can keep ignoring that and pretending that this is not the case, that there's no difference between pubs and bars and other places where precautions can be taken, but it would take a lot to convince me that it isn't largely cognitive dissonance from people who don't want it to be the case. It's not that non-essential retail, or cafes, theatres, museums are more worthwhile than pubs but the question is "worthwhile vs risk". If people were getting too relaxed, letting their guard down, getting physically close and forgetting to wash their hands after three pints at the museum then yes that would be a problem too but it isn't the case. It IS the case in pubs whether people like that or not. It is the case whether you and your friends are being careful or not. A large enough proportion of patrons are letting the protective measures slip and that's enough.
I would say it's been fairly isolated, yes there's been outbreaks around a few pubs just as there's been outbreaks around lots of settings but nationwide the pubs have been open for over a month now and cases are at the same level they were when they opened even allowing for the small rise recently which is just as much to do with increased targeted testing as it is a genuine rise in community transmission. If you're saying that schools and pubs can't both exist without there being a big rise in cases across the whole country then there needs to be evidence for that but most studies I've seen have said that reopening schools does not lead to a notable increase in the transmission of the virus and that local lockdowns can tackle any rise successfully
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Sooooo we have a few cases at work, I've been in contact with one of them in a meeting last week. So my team and I are stuck at home, still working though.
And today they announced the whole company will be taking shifts for homeworking: 1 group at work for a week, next week at home etc

Tests results came back today, I'm negative. We all wore masks during the meeting, but I was sitting next to the person that tested positive two days later. A relief!

PS: thank God I have aircon at home, the weather is burning right now
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Sooooo we have a few cases at work, I've been in contact with one of them in a meeting last week. So my team and I are stuck at home, still working though.
And today they announced the whole company will be taking shifts for homeworking: 1 group at work for a week, next week at home etc

Tests results came back today, I'm negative. We all wore masks during the meeting, but I was sitting next to the person that tested positive two days later. A relief!

PS: thank God I have aircon at home, the weather is burning right now
....awwww, thank goodness your test came back okay...you keep safe and enjoy your new schedule and your gorgeous home air conditioning......
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Just a little snapshot of schools opening across the pond
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How are pupils going to study for next year's exams if they don't go back to school this year.

If they don't go back in the Autumn it probably won't be until next year, which means almost a whole year lost.
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...I never understand who these polls are that ‘reveal’ these things...of course, parents have fears because we all have fears about various different aspects...I mean, we’re living our days with a deadly virus...but when our academy ‘polled’ parents...as in when the years started to come back at the end of last term...parents were virtually 100% in favour of their children returning...(..despite any fears...)....it’s going to be challenging and there are safety measures that I’d like to be put into place but won’t be, unfortunately...but schools don’t need that sort of media reporting and ‘polls’ just stoking fears...they need support from the media with their polls for a time that’s going to be quite challenging...
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the media have done way more harm than good during the pandemic. They should be ashamed of themselves
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Coronavirus: 730,000 have lost their job since lockdown began...


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...began-12046850
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Completely agree, the reporting at times has been nothing short of negligent
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Really sad although expected and much worse to come it's feared once the furlough scheme is ended soon.

I fear for older workers than those in their 30s now losing their jobs.
I mean people in their late 40s and 50s.
Who may find other opportunities not available to them either.

I don't envy any government now charged with trying to rebuild not only the economy but also the whole social elements of society from care to everything else.

I hope, this lot are up to the challenge.
Because this is the next massive test to them.
I'll hold my thoughts in as to if I think they will be up to it.

I'm trying to visualise too, towns and cities, where businesses are now just giving up and closing.

It's not just the loss of lives cost and the devastating grief of loved ones losing their family and friends that this hateful virus has affected.

It's also going to be those in what was their work and building their futures who now losing their jobs, pride and dignity, who will also suffer massively from the legacy of this virus.
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...I know a few people who are part of the track and trace as well and they’re being paid but basically aren’t doing anything...so this ‘radical shake up..’ is a bit confusing and conflicting in what they’re saying...all of these phone calls that aren’t being replied to, aren’t being made...which would be why they’re not being replied to, I strongly suspect...anyways, yeah media is a bitch...but the lies from our government and misleading information is a bitch also...
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