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arista · 21-09-2020, 04:18 AM

bitontheslide · 21-09-2020, 05:57 AM

We will apparently get more news at a press conference this morning at 11am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54229845

joeysteele · 21-09-2020, 06:13 AM

Well, have to wait and see what's said.
However certainly in part, perhaps a harder line ought to have been taken with Johnson over the virus and lockdown easing measures.

They looked gloomy as he was announcing the first and then more.
However said little at the time.

They must have a bad outlook for it, to be doing it alone.
Then this week Universities returning too.
There's more potential to add to risks.
Anyhow, have to wait to see what the new words are going to be as to this now.

Strictly Jake · 21-09-2020, 06:30 AM

It concerns me that its at 11am rather then the usual tea time. To me that says measures are going to be in place from tomorrow. That said its in lockdown where i am from tomorrow anyway

bitontheslide · 21-09-2020, 06:44 AM

they didn't make any mention of Boris attending, just the medical people, so my guess would be that they will show some graphs showing it's getting worse, then they will suggest measures that could be taken. Then, either later today or tomorrow Boris will set it in stone. They are still arguing about it in cabinet. If i were to guess it will be limits on travel, and shielding will be re-introduced. Activities related to school and work will be maintained

Toy Soldier · 21-09-2020, 06:48 AM

Different countries doing different things both in terms of lockdown, and PPE/social distincing... All tracking essentially the same graph curves with very few exceptions.

As always I'll comply with what we're asked to do but my feeling is that we're grasping at straws with a lot of this stuff, "circuit breaker" lockdowns, etc... and the drop over summer was simply because viruses drop off in summer months as standard.

bitontheslide · 21-09-2020, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Different countries doing different things both in terms of lockdown, and PPE/social distincing... All tracking essentially the same graph curves with very few exceptions.

As always I'll comply with what we're asked to do but my feeling is that we're grasping at straws with a lot of this stuff, "circuit breaker" lockdowns, etc... and the drop over summer was simply because viruses drop off in summer months as standard.

We should protect the old and vulnerable as much as we can through shielding and let the rest of the population get on with it i think. Build up some community immunity and the problem will largely resolve itself. A sort of gentle form of herd immunity

Nicky91 · 21-09-2020, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We should protect the old and vulnerable as much as we can through shielding and let the rest of the population get on with it i think. Build up some community immunity and the problem will largely resolve itself. A sort of gentle form of herd immunity

no since youth can't obey rules on their own, we need to order those vile superspreaders to stay home

getting youth off the streets makes it a more safe place for old and vulnerable if they want to go to supermarket

AnnieK · 21-09-2020, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We should protect the old and vulnerable as much as we can through shielding and let the rest of the population get on with it i think. Build up some community immunity and the problem will largely resolve itself. A sort of gentle form of herd immunity

I completely agree with this.

arista · 21-09-2020, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

We will apparently get more news at a press conference this morning at 11am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54229845

Yes but Whitty and Vallance
will not take questions, though

arista · 21-09-2020, 09:48 AM

One easy rule they could bring in
is Every Pub must close at 10PM.

arista · 21-09-2020, 10:00 AM

Tomorrow we get the PM.
Today in a min it's Live without any MP's

Just Vallance & Whitty.

arista · 21-09-2020, 10:01 AM

They were Live behind a desk.

Even on ITV1HD "this morning"

Showing a new increase in Deaths in Spain and France,
on a Graph.

As a warning to the UK.

arista · 21-09-2020, 10:11 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-details.html

joeysteele · 21-09-2020, 10:24 AM

Calling for quick action they say.

I wonder if Johnson and co are hearing that.
Even if they still aren't actually LISTENING properly.

The Slim Reaper · 21-09-2020, 10:27 AM

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Who's made a killing?

Expect there are more wealthy people who have lost a huge amount of money from the pandemic than there are those who've profited from it

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...emic-lockdown/

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ing-super-rich

https://www.theguardian.com/news/202...onavirus-storm

I mean if we want to break it down to individuals, then no doubt some have lost out, but as a group, the wealthiest individuals in the world have increased their wealth, and the wealth gap has increased.

Let's say that they've all lost 10% of their wealth across the board, are you arguing that balancing budgets on the poor is the right move, after a decade of austerity? Putting money in the hands of low income/poor people is the quickest way to stimulate local economies as any money they get goes straight into local businesses.

bitontheslide · 21-09-2020, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...emic-lockdown/

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ing-super-rich

https://www.theguardian.com/news/202...onavirus-storm

I mean if we want to break it down to individuals, then no doubt some have lost out, but as a group, the wealthiest individuals in the world have increased their wealth, and the wealth gap has increased.

Let's say that they've all lost 10% of their wealth across the board, are you arguing that balancing budgets on the poor is the right move, after a decade of austerity? Putting money in the hands of low income/poor people is the quickest way to stimulate local economies as any money they get goes straight into local businesses.

different sectors have done better than others of course. For example computers and technology got a massive boost from people working from home. Hand sanitisers, masks etc have seen a boost ... that was completely expected. People see changes in the market, and those that move quickly can take advantage of it ... that is a normal market economy.

You can always find examples to suit any narrative, so providing single examples is meaningless.

bitontheslide · 21-09-2020, 10:37 AM

After that press conference, there are going to be further restrictions, thats a given. Shutting the pubs an hour earlier is not going to cut it

The Slim Reaper · 21-09-2020, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

different sectors have done better than others of course. For example computers and technology got a massive boost from people working from home. Hand sanitisers, masks etc have seen a boost ... that was completely expected. People see changes in the market, and those that move quickly can take advantage of it ... that is a normal market economy.

You can always find examples to suit any narrative, so providing single examples is meaningless.

I mean, I actually point out that that individuals will win and lose, but as a group the wealth gap has increased. Anyone want to answer whether trying to balance the books on the poor is either the right approach or moral?