[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Are they all in Manchester Annie?

The daily figures don't make good reading at the moment. I'm sure i'm not alone in hoping they can be reduced with all the tier 3 restrictions in place now

Yep sadly. I know of a few more friends of friends who have it up here at the moment too. We have been in effect under tier 2 since august and now tier 3 and the numbers are still rising. We will have our own herd immunity here if it keeps going like this

[bitontheslide]

An apparent loophole in government rules has caused confusion over whether social clubs are subject to tier three Covid restrictions on serving alcohol.

In areas placed in tier three, pubs and bars must close unless they are serving substantial meals.

But some social clubs are continuing to serve alcohol to members without a substantial meal after their local councils told them it was permitted.

The Department for Health and Social Care has been contacted for comment.

There are thousands of members clubs across England, including conservative clubs, working men's clubs and sports clubs.

Councils in Wirral, Preston and Fylde have all advised their local social clubs that the discrepancy exists because they hold club premises certificates and not premises licences.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-54718001

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crazy

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Yep sadly. I know of a few more friends of friends who have it up here at the moment too. We have been in effect under tier 2 since august and now tier 3 and the numbers are still rising. We will have our own herd immunity here if it keeps going like this

just thinking back to march and im sure it took about 6 weeks before things started going down. With this being in concentrated areas it should be a bit quicker but a month is probably the quickest it could be

[Josy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

My cousin, her husband and 2 kids have all tested positive. My friend's husband has tested positive...I never knew anyone who had actually had it until last week, now everyone is dropping like flies with it. When furlough ends next week and everyone is back in offices etc I expect it to be even worse.

Hope they are all ok Annie

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

My cousin, her husband and 2 kids have all tested positive. My friend's husband has tested positive...I never knew anyone who had actually had it until last week, now everyone is dropping like flies with it. When furlough ends next week and everyone is back in offices etc I expect it to be even worse.

I do really hope they're okay Annie.
My thoughts and wishes for the best of outcomes to you for them all.

Thinking of you.

[Vanessa]

Ita getting worse everywhere. The winter is going to be really hard.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and my old mum is in hosp till friday with her legs so that is also a big worry

It would be more worrying if she was there without her legs, surely.

(Being more serious though I'm sure it will be fine, they're generally quite good at keeping the Covid and non-Covid patients and staff well separated)

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and my old mum is in hosp till friday with her legs so that is also a big worry

Hope that she will be okay

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Zizu

We keep being told that the survival rate 99.5% or something but then we see about 45,000 deaths since March ...


Even the experts don’t seem to know very much about the virus .. they all say ‘it should be ‘ or ‘we think’ or ‘possibly maybe’


I think the worst thing about all this ( apart from the risk of dying ) is all the flamin’ uncertainty tbh


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The data for the IFR is pretty robust and has been holding steady in the 0.5 - 1% range since before the summer. 0.5% is a low end estimate though - around 0.8% (so 99.2% survival rate) is far more likely.

45000 deaths at an 0.8% fatality rate = around 5 and a half million cases overall in the UK since the start of the pandemic, which sounds quite realistic.

Worth noting though that it's less than 10% of the total population so if the virus WAS to make its way through the entire population, you're looking at nearly 500,000 total deaths in the UK.

[Vanessa]

I'm watching a programme about the Tower reopening after lockdown.
One of my favourite places in London.

[arista]

[Josy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and my old mum is in hosp till friday with her legs so that is also a big worry

Hope shes ok

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Josy

Hope shes ok

Thank you Josy. So far so good

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

Not a national lockdown

Poor reports

[arista]

Coronavirus: France and Germany have announced
second national lockdowns


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...firms-12117056

[arista]

[bitontheslide]

Some cheery news first thing in the morning.....

Nearly 100,000 people are catching coronavirus every day in England, a major analysis suggests.

The study, by Imperial College London, says the pace of the epidemic is accelerating and estimates the number of people infected is now doubling every nine days.

The authors say we are at a "critical stage" and "something has to change".

France and Germany have turned to forms of lockdown to control the virus.

The government here is sticking to its regional strategy.

Experts are warning that we are fast approaching the peak in infections seen in the spring.

The React-1 study is highly influential because it is the most up-to-date assessment of Covid-19 in the country, with the last swabs taken only on Sunday and nearly 86,000 volunteers taking part.

It shows cases are rising in every age group and in every region of England.

While cases are currently highest in the North, infections are surging more rapidly in the South.

The study compared the latest swabs collected between 16 and 25 October with the last round of swabs, between 18 September and 5 October.

It suggests:

The number of people infected has more than doubled since the last round, with one in every 78 people now testing positive.

The hardest hit area is Yorkshire and the Humber, where one every 37 people has the virus, followed by the North West region.

Three times as many people aged 55-64 are infected and twice as many over 65s.

The pace of the epidemic has accelerated with the R number - the number of people each infected person passes the virus on to on average - increasing from 1.15 to 1.56.

Overall, the number of people infected is doubling every nine days.

The South East, South West, east of England and London all have an R above 2.0. London has an estimated R of 2.86.

Cases are spiking in young people in the South West in a repeat of the pattern seen in northern England just over a month ago.

96,000 people are now catching the virus every day.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54723962

So it looks like areas that had low infection rates are starting to catch up

[Ammi]

...I think that Spain might be going to go into full lockdown again...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think that Spain might be going to go into full lockdown again...

Yes since Germany and France said they are going into Lockdown
Spain can join them
The Covid-19 Virus is still spreading too fast.

[bitontheslide]

France and Germany are not going into lockdowns like we did in March. Schools etc remain open

[Cherie]

The region of Andalucia is not allowing travel in or out from today

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

France and Germany are not going into lockdowns like we did in March. Schools etc remain open

yes its being mis reported it is not full lockdown

Bars and pubs will shut
Restaurants to close except for takeaways
Gyms, cinemas and theatres to shut
Indoor gatherings banned for more than 10 people and between more than two households
Hotels to close to tourists - staying open only for "essential reasons"
Shops to stay open but with a maximum of one person per 10 square metres

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

France and Germany are not going into lockdowns like we did in March. Schools etc remain open

Originally Posted by Cherie

yes its being mis reported it is not full lockdown

Bars and pubs will shut
Restaurants to close except for takeaways
Gyms, cinemas and theatres to shut
Indoor gatherings banned for more than 10 people and between more than two households
Hotels to close to tourists - staying open only for "essential reasons"
Shops to stay open but with a maximum of one person per 10 square metres

Indeed - it's basically Scotlands "Level 4" but country-wide rather than regional.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed - it's basically Scotlands "Level 4" but country-wide rather than regional.

Yes I am hearing it reported on the news that France and Germany are going into National lockdowns, so disingenous

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes I am hearing it reported on the news that France and Germany are going into National lockdowns, so disingenous

it's obvious they are trying to make people think ... they are in full lockdown we should be too... i never had a high opinion of the media before, but their handling of covid this year has been shocking