[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I hope he does

corona is only deadly to old people, so still a lot of panic over nothing

lockdowns aren't necessary if you see ICU's still can handle it, what my country's health minister De Jonge said, hence why we are not going for another lockdown yet


tbh ICU's are the more serious cases so if you see that one is flattening down in daily numbers that is good

[bitontheslide]

i think our government should be flexible enough to alter its plans where necessary to do whats best for the country. I don't care if it branded a u turn or whatever. If the spread of the virus means that a broader system becomes appropriate then do it.

There is only one message anyway whatever restrictions are in place .... social distance, hardly difficult to understand

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree! My point is its irresponsible to imply it will be anywhere near ‘normal’

People will still be doing the same old crap, probably going further by saying let’s make this Christmas one to remember apart from all those people that have died from Covid and who’s seat will be empty.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think our government should be flexible enough to alter its plans where necessary to do whats best for the country. I don't care if it branded a u turn or whatever. If the spread of the virus means that a broader system becomes appropriate then do it.

There is only one message anyway whatever restrictions are in place .... social distance, hardly difficult to understand

...no the social distance or ‘space’ part of the slogan isn’t difficult to understand...but it can be difficult to maintain and practice in supermarkets for instance...in ours anyway, the space was maintained through restricted number of people in store at one time...?..but now with mask wearing, the restricted number is no longer applied...and in a busy supermarket, maintaining space is becoming more and more difficult...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

While some are still ignoring the guidelines, the vast majority are complying. What this implies to me is that the virus remains airborne for a while so that the social distancing of 2 metres is less effective. If the virus remains airborne for say 15 or even 30 mins then you could catch it by walking in to an infected "pocket" even if you do stick to the 2 metre distancing. Something like this must be happening for the rate to be increasing as it is.

This isn't March-April, they know the physical properties of the virus and how it spreads fairly robustly at this point. It isn't secretly airborne.

Also, Scotland's numbers are levelling off whilst England's continue to increase which means, essentially, that the Scottish central belt restrictions had a significant effect on the spread.

[arista]

Look at the amount of places in England getting,
Fined.

Public ignoring Social Distancing
Piss heads

[arista]

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Christmas.html

[arista]

Johnson PM has NOW
ordered an Afternoon Cabinet. Downing St.

Not usual on a Saturday
so many in the press are saying possible Lockdown sooner?



SkyNewsHD / LBC

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Christmas.html

At this stage most people should be able to adapt their own behaviour not be forced to do it

[Vanessa]

I think a lockdown is needed, otherwise the NHS will be overwhelmed.
Unfortunately until they find a vaccine, we will have to have lockdowns to bring numbers down.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think a lockdown is needed, otherwise the NHS will be overwhelmed.
Unfortunately until they find a vaccine, we will have to have lockdowns to bring numbers down.

Looks like it could change
as Cabinet Meeting today on Saturday
is rare.

[arista]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think a lockdown is needed, otherwise the NHS will be overwhelmed.
Unfortunately until they find a vaccine, we will have to have lockdowns to bring numbers down.

Could all be avoided if people actually socially distanced

[arista]

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

[Covid: Birmingham shisha cafe shut down after second breach

Police have closed a shisha cafe after finding about
150 people inside, days after the venue was hit
with a £10,000 fine for Covid-19 breaches.
Officers forced their way in to Kasablanca in
the Highgate area of Birmingham
at 01:00 BST on 24 October.

Video posted on YouTube shows officers
forcing entry to the smokers' lounge on Moseley Street,
with shrieks audible as they disperse the crowds.
The venue had broken restrictions
earlier this month, police said.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-54754841




Double the Fines

Take their licence to trade away - permanently with a huge fine .

Sadly the owners / money men will always find away around things but it would at least make things uncomfortable for them .


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[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

For England ONLY

[LeatherTrumpet]

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

While some are still ignoring the guidelines, the vast majority are complying. What this implies to me is that the virus remains airborne for a while so that the social distancing of 2 metres is less effective. If the virus remains airborne for say 15 or even 30 mins then you could catch it by walking in to an infected "pocket" even if you do stick to the 2 metre distancing. Something like this must be happening for the rate to be increasing as it is.

That was the theory I was sharing around back in March ... when scientists abroad said the virus particles travelled up to 13’ in the air and could remain airborne for up to 15 minutes...


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[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

For England ONLY

So Far
on Monday
it could be Scotland
as well in the National 4 week Lockdown

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think our government should be flexible enough to alter its plans where necessary to do whats best for the country. I don't care if it branded a u turn or whatever. If the spread of the virus means that a broader system becomes appropriate then do it.



There is only one message anyway whatever restrictions are in place .... social distance, hardly difficult to understand

Well there’s been many , many u-turns made by Boris thus far ... all criticised


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This isn't March-April, they know the physical properties of the virus and how it spreads fairly robustly at this point. It isn't secretly airborne.



Also, Scotland's numbers are levelling off whilst England's continue to increase which means, essentially, that the Scottish central belt restrictions had a significant effect on the spread.

Nobody seems to know much about the virus at all it seems ...


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[AnnieK]

I know that there is a massive worry about the NHS but it seems like this lockdown is another knee jerk. Surely we will not have seen full results yet of the Tier systems yet. The R rate is dropping again and so surely case numbers will follow suit and anyone who is now infected will end up in hospital whether we are locked down or not. We don't seem to be giving anything a chance to see if its working

[smudgie]

If there is a national lockdown then the schools and universities should shut as well.
Perhaps public information adverts on telly showing people that 2 metres is just over the length of a bed rather than the less than 2ft you see all those numpties out in public seem to think it is.

[bitontheslide]

the fixation with keeping schools and universities open when they seem to be directly responsible for the uptick in infections is beyond me