[Josy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Now this is a bad comparison



I agree that comparisons aren't good examples when it comes to a pandemic, but I only used them to show we don't actually do this in any other area of life.

I disagree about the tories point though, because they've demonstrated over and over again their unwillingness to actually follow independent advice, and instead they've used the pandemic as an excuse to give money to their friends, which shows their focus has been on completely the wrong things.

I say this with vulnerable people in my family. I planned to go and spend a few days with my folks a couple of weeks ago, so I isolated to make sure I was clear as my ma will die if she gets it (COPD). As it turned out they had stuff they needed to do so I ended up isolating for 2 weeks, just to go and have lunch with them.

I'm fortunate that I was able to do that in the first place, but when impositions are being put on peoples lives, there is a need to mandate things, because I'd wager most people will subscribe to the "just this once won't hurt" practice, then once they were safe that once, the floodgates are open.

I like to think I'm pretty far away from being a fan of the Tories so I'm not defending them as such but I do stand by my opinion that bringing up people that voted for them in this thread is pointless as most governments are doing the same thing right now and giving out guidelines which if the public apply common sense to and follow it will ensure ourselves and our families safety.

In all honestly I believe leaders of all the countries are in a no win situation during this pandemic, if they lockdown, give guidelines to follow, hand out fines threaten harsher punishment etc then they are accused of ruining the economy and infringing on human rights if they dont do the stuff mentioned above they are accused of not caring and putting people at risk of dying.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Josy

I like to think I'm pretty far away from being a fan of the Tories so I'm not defending them as such but I do stand by my opinion that bringing up people that voted for them in this thread is pointless as most governments are doing the same thing right now and giving out guidelines which if the public apply common sense to and follow it will ensure ourselves and our families safety.

In all honestly I believe leaders of all the countries are in a no win situation during this pandemic, if they lockdown, give guidelines to follow, hand out fines threaten harsher punishment etc then they are accused of ruining the economy and infringing on human rights if they dont do the stuff mentioned above they are accused of not caring and putting people at risk of dying.

Jacinda Ardern says hi

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Josy

I like to think I'm pretty far away from being a fan of the Tories so I'm not defending them as such but I do stand by my opinion that bringing up people that voted for them in this thread is pointless as most governments are doing the same thing right now and giving out guidelines which if the public apply common sense to and follow it will ensure ourselves and our families safety.

In all honestly I believe leaders of all the countries are in a no win situation during this pandemic, if they lockdown, give guidelines to follow, hand out fines threaten harsher punishment etc then they are accused of ruining the economy and infringing on human rights if they dont do the stuff mentioned above they are accused of not caring and putting people at risk of dying.

Agree with you Josy, I think people want a solution handed to them, but are ignoring the fact that the solution is in their own hands, some people just won’t give up their freedoms, and that’s fine but this is where following that train of thought ends ...lockdown for everyone

It wont surprise me if this turns ugly this time round

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Josy

I like to think I'm pretty far away from being a fan of the Tories so I'm not defending them as such but I do stand by my opinion that bringing up people that voted for them in this thread is pointless as most governments are doing the same thing right now and giving out guidelines which if the public apply common sense to and follow it will ensure ourselves and our families safety.

In all honestly I believe leaders of all the countries are in a no win situation during this pandemic, if they lockdown, give guidelines to follow, hand out fines threaten harsher punishment etc then they are accused of ruining the economy and infringing on human rights if they dont do the stuff mentioned above they are accused of not caring and putting people at risk of dying.

That's fair even though I mostly disagree. I do think that a bit of a myth has popped up about economy versus people though, as though they aren't now and won't forever be inextricably linked.

[Ammi]

Teaching union calls for schools to close

The National Education Union (NEU) has called for schools and colleges to be included in any lockdown.

The Union says schools should only remain open to vulnerable children and those of key workers during such a general closure period. Boris Johnson is expected to say that schools, universities and colleges should remain open in a four-week lockdown.

Kevin Courtney, the joint general secretary of the NEU, said:

It is clear from ONS data that schools are an engine for virus transmission. It would be self-defeating for the government to impose a national lockdown, whilst ignoring the role of schools as a major contributor to the spread of the virus.

Such a lockdown would impose pain on the whole community - but not be as effective as it could be if schools were included. Ignoring the role of schools and colleges in the spread of the virus is likely to lead to the need for even longer lockdowns in future.

The latest figures from the ONS estimate that 1% of primary pupils and 2% of secondary pupils have the virus and that these levels have increased dramatically since wider opening in September. NEU analysis of ONS figures shows that virus levels are now 9 times higher amongst primary pupils and an astonishing 50 times higher amongst secondary pupils.

The National Education Union called for a two week circuit break over half term to include schools, which the Wales Government and the Northern Ireland assembly have done - but the Government in Westminster has ignored this call. More severe measures are now called for as a result, the Government should not make this mistake again.

The government should include all schools in proposals for an immediate national lockdown and as a minimum be preparing for school rotas at the end of that period, including by actually meeting its promise to deliver broadband and equipment to those children who do not have them.

It is also vital that the government ensure proper financial support for all those affected by lockdown including crucial supply teachers and other staff.

[Ammi]

Universities must move all non-essential teaching online if England goes into another national lockdown, a union has said.

The University and College Union (UCU) said it would be “incomprehensible” if teaching continued in person if England is put under tighter restrictions from next week as expected.

Figures put together by the union suggest that there have been more than 35,000 cases on campuses since term started last month.

The UCU general secretary, Jo Grady, said:

The health and safety of the country is being put at risk because of this government’s insistence that universities must continue with in-person teaching.

It would be incomprehensible if universities were allowed to continue to do this after the outbreaks we have seen on campuses across the country this term.

Ministers must tell universities to move all non-essential in-person teaching online as part of any national lockdown.

The union has been campaigning for a complete shift online for some time, and previously launched a petition demanding that the switch be made “where possible”.

It is thought that education settings will be told they can remain open if another lockdown is announced.

[Ammi]

Local and regional and authorities across the UK are sending out different messages over Halloween celebrations tonight.

In some places, notably Scotland and tier 3 areas on England, trick-or-treating is being actively discouraged.

In other areas parents and children are being urged to respect their neighbours.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Local and regional and authorities across the UK are sending out different messages over Halloween celebrations tonight.

In some places, notably Scotland and tier 3 areas on England, trick-or-treating is being actively discouraged.

In other areas parents and children are being urged to respect their neighbours.

Forget all the tiers

We will be in a National Lockdown
Lady

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Forget all the tiers

We will be in a National Lockdown
Lady

...we won’t be in National lockdown today for Halloween, Arista...there is no National guidance for that...each local authority are issuing their own guidelines...the National lockdown will begin on Wednesday, I think...

[arista]

On Twitter

They are all going potty

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...we won’t be in National lockdown today for Halloween, Arista...there is no National guidance for that...each local authority are issuing their own guidelines...the National lockdown will begin on Wednesday, I think...

Sure could be Weds.

Today we Find out from The Prime minister around 5PM
what is the rush...................

BBC1HD 4:30PM
SkyNewsHD now
Times Radio DAB
LBC

[The Slim Reaper]

And here we are again, a government governing by leaks. Click on the tweet if you want to read all of the measures being introduced.

[arista]

We need this

[arista]

[arista]

Scotland goes into 5 Tiers on Monday

Not part of the England Lockdown month

[Kate!]

The*Prime Minister*is set to announce a month long Tier 4 arrangement for England at 5pm, according to ITV.

All*pubs and restaurants*will close, although takeaway services will carry on and supermarkets will stay open.

The Prime Minister is set to make a major announcement on*coronavirus*at 5pm today.

The Tier 4 rules will take force from one minute past midnight on Thursday.

All non-essential retail outlets will be forced to close, and there will no social mixing inside homes with exceptions for childcare and other essential support.

[arista]

326 Died today

Patients in hospital
10,918

Patients in ventilator beds
978


21,915 New Cases of Covid-19

46,555 Total Deaths

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Smithy]

Conference is at 6:30 not 5 now

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Conference is at 6:30 not 5 now

Yes getting later all the time

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Conference is at 6:30 not 5 now

Are they ****ting me. Little mix is on then which is fsr more important that bojo!!!!!!!!

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Are they ****ting me. Little mix is on then which is fsr more important that bojo!!!!!!!!

No it’s not it’s pushed back to next week

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Are they ****ting me. Little mix is on then which is fsr more important that bojo!!!!!!!!

In which parallel universe ?




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[arista]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Are they ****ting me. Little mix is on then which is fsr more important that bojo!!!!!!!!

All the Back Benchers like Steve Baker
going into Debate with the Prime Minister.


Adding on extra time.


BBC1HD stated at 4:30PM
now its long time until 6:30PM

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by Zizu

In which parallel universe ?




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I am of course joking


However that show has been a disaster because if delays etc. The final was supposed to be next week!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No it’s not it’s pushed back to next week

Yes On Sky Info
Little Mix has gone