[arista]

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[Zizu]

He should be easy enough to identify.. .

Wonder what kind of sentences these people will be given ?




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[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He should be easy enough to identify.. .

Wonder what kind of sentences these people will be given ?




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More important have they all spread Covid-19 killer?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

More important have they all spread Covid-19 killer?

as long as they weren't at the beach that is fine and dandy it seems! that will be a great comfort to future grieving families I'm sure

[Nicky91]

how spread covid, when they had worn face masks

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

how spread covid, when they had worn face masks

They didn’t all wear face masks ... all the rioters seemed to ... oddly enough


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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Zizu

They didn’t all wear face masks ... all the rioters seemed to ... oddly enough


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ok not gonna argue there with you

anyway, the protesters are genuinely anti-racism (which is a good cause to fight for)

the rioters are just in it for the attention, to cause chaos, trouble (they also do not give any **** about the anti-racism cause what the protesters are there for) so basically it's because of these rioters things will more backfire on the protesters

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

ok not gonna argue there with you



anyway, the protesters are genuinely anti-racism (which is a good cause to fight for)



the rioters are just in it for the attention, to cause chaos, trouble (they also do not give any **** about the anti-racism cause what the protesters are there for) so basically it's because of these rioters things will more backfire on the protesters

I really feel that the organisers should be held accountable for all the injuries and damage caused plus any further rioting that may spread across the country.




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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I really feel that the organisers should be held accountable for all the injuries and damage caused plus any further rioting that may spread across the country.




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organisers should fix this for sure, and leave those rioters in the hands of the cops, the rioters all deserve some years of jail time for sure

them ruining the protests is not good, and punishments should happen for the rioters

[Cherie]

I think the government should throw open the country now, the people have showed by their behaviour the past few weeks .. not observing lockdown rules, .beach trips, house parties, meeting in big groups, protesting', that they really don't care about Public Health, so let's end what has now become charade! Shield the shielding and send the rest back to work if they have a job left that is

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

how spread covid, when they had worn face masks

Just from touching each other
No way are any of them, separated
they are all close together

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No body really knows the answer at this stage, but those that got Covid bad have only been saved by being in intesive care and put on a ventilator, there is no intensive care or ventilators in the jungle, logic says the survival rate will be next to zero.

Those requiring treatment on ventilator in intensive care are less than 10% of RECORDED cases and there's emerging evidence that the majority of cases are so mild they were never even reported, or completely asymptomatic. And most ICU cases (by a LONG way) are people over the age of 70... When there's unlikely to be anyone over the age of 70 living in these area sin the first place. Logic says survival rate will be next to zero? Can you then explain that logic?

Because logic actually dictates that even in the absense of basic meds, death rates would be in the 1% - 5% range.

I don't know where you've got the idea that it's usual for people with Covid to end up on a ventilator. You need to stop reading The Sun.

[bitontheslide]

It's a very concerning virus to those over 60 and those with underlying health conditions. I don't know the demographics in the Amazon, but the only difference that health care systems make is that they can save about 50% of those that require critical care, but until we have actual figures of numbers of infected vs numbers that require critical care it's all guess work

The occupancy of critical care beds is continuing to decrease in the UK even after loosening lockdown restrictions. There are probably 100 different factors involved in that, from social distancing, herd immunity and the weather, to name but a few.

[Oliver_W]

How would it even get to the remote little tribes?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Those requiring treatment on ventilator in intensive care are less than 10% of RECORDED cases and there's emerging evidence that the majority of cases are so mild they were never even reported, or completely asymptomatic. And most ICU cases (by a LONG way) are people over the age of 70... When there's unlikely to be anyone over the age of 70 living in these area sin the first place. Logic says survival rate will be next to zero? Can you then explain that logic?

Because logic actually dictates that even in the absense of basic meds, death rates would be in the 1% - 5% range.

I don't know where you've got the idea that it's usual for people with Covid to end up on a ventilator. You need to stop reading The Sun.

Don’t tell me what to do, the only information you have come up with is what you read.

Logic tells me you know nothing of the impact this virus will have remote amazon tribes.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Don’t tell me what to do, the only information you have come up with is what you read.

Logic tells me you know nothing of the impact this virus will have remote amazon tribes.

Well sure, but he's made logically sound deductions

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Don’t tell me what to do, the only information you have come up with is what you read.

Logic tells me you know nothing of the impact this virus will have remote amazon tribes.

I know as much as you do (nothing for sure) but my assumptions are based on the actual figures, whereas yours are based on ... ? Panic? Some alternate reality where Covid is actually Ebola? We don't "know" what will happen, so we'll just blunder along believing nonsensical absolute-worst-case scenarios that have no basis in the things we DO know? OK you do you I suppose? My reply isn't really for you anyway, it's to correct misconceptions about the scale of the covid death rate (although, I'm sure most people already are generally aware) because that's worth doing. If you want to go on believing that Amazonian tribes are going to worse affected than any other population so far and be wiped out, feel free to carry on with that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No body really knows the answer at this stage, but those that got Covid bad have only been saved by being in intesive care and put on a ventilator, there is no intensive care or ventilators in the jungle, logic says the survival rate will be next to zero.

And I would hazard a guess that these tribes have no more than a hundred adults and children in a single tribe.

My point is there's nothing to say that those who don't get it bad here will in the jungle, if they have no underlying health issues there's no reason to suspect they would.

Are 100 tribal people less physically robust than 100 westerners?
We dont know, for all we know if some groups forage they may have been exposed to this strain and developed natural immunity generations ago...who knows?

[Oliver_W]

Doesn't living "in the wild" by western standards improve robustness and hardiness?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My point is there's nothing to say that those who don't get it bad here will in the jungle, if they have no underlying health issues there's no reason to suspect they would.

Are 100 tribal people less physically robust than 100 westerners?
We dont know, for all we know if some groups forage they may have been exposed to this strain and developed natural immunity generations ago...who knows?

Or they may not have been exposed to western diseases and have not built up immune systems, we don’t know but even if one person out of a hundred gets it bad with a ventilator they will die.

[thesheriff443]

Over 40 thousand people from all backgrounds and ages have died some where fit and healthy.

So I think there should be a level of concern rather just saying they we be fine without medicine or a hospital.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Or they may not have been exposed to western diseases and have not built up immune systems, we don’t know but even if one person out of a hundred gets it bad with a ventilator they will die.

It's true that indigenous populations have been badly affected by disease from colonial powers in the past, because they didn't have antibodies against minor pathogens that were brought over, but those were diseases that had been going around the rest of the world for centuries. The same happens vice versa obviously - some pretty nasty pathogens in the rainforest for explorers that the native people are quite robust against.

The whole issue with Covid-19 though is that NO ONE had resistance to it... it's as new in the UK as it would be in the deepest Amazon.