[Cherie]

Thousands of people belonging to indigenous Amazonian tribes are at risk of being “wiped out” by coronavirus - leading them to call for help from the international community.

Many of Brazil’s 850,000 indigenous people live in remote Amazon areas such as Manaus – with little or no access to healthcare or personal protective equipment (PPE) - prompting indigenous leaders to ask the World Health Organization (WHO) for help in providing equipment unavailable to health workers in tribal reservations and villages.

According to the Articulation of Brazil's Indigenous Peoples (APIB) – an umbrella association representing 305 tribes – deaths from the virus have increasing more than five-fold in the past month.

COVID-19 related deaths among Brazil's indigenous populations rose to 182 by 1 June – a rise of 154 fatalities from 28 instances recorded at the end of April.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Over 40 thousand people from all backgrounds and ages have died some where fit and healthy.

So I think there should be a level of concern rather just saying they we be fine without medicine or a hospital.

Most will be fine, some will be very ill, a very small percentage will die... the same as everywhere else. Yes it's true that a few who would have survived with ICU treatment will die, it's not a total lack of concern, just pointing out that 90%+ will have mild illness and recover so they won't be "wiped out". That doesn't mean that those deaths aren't tragic.

Frankly though, on that front, the deep rainforest is the least of the concern. There are BILLIONS of people across India, Africa and South America who have no more access to modern healthcare or ICU units than a remote tribe does. Some of them with modern hospitals within walking distance - just "not for them". Again of course most will recover at home, but the numbers who need care and can't access it will be huge if hundreds of millions are infected.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thousands of people belonging to indigenous Amazonian tribes are at risk of being “wiped out” by coronavirus - leading them to call for help from the international community.

Many of Brazil’s 850,000 indigenous people live in remote Amazon areas such as Manaus – with little or no access to healthcare or personal protective equipment (PPE) - prompting indigenous leaders to ask the World Health Organization (WHO) for help in providing equipment unavailable to health workers in tribal reservations and villages.

According to the Articulation of Brazil's Indigenous Peoples (APIB) – an umbrella association representing 305 tribes – deaths from the virus have increasing more than five-fold in the past month.

COVID-19 related deaths among Brazil's indigenous populations rose to 182 by 1 June – a rise of 154 fatalities from 28 instances recorded at the end of April.

Again this seems to be based on the idea that without PPE and modern healthcare, a large proportion of people who get Covid will die. Which simply isn't true. We've known for months that it just isn't the case. We've been learning recently that up to 50% don't even get ill at all. Maybe it's the case that they're worried about the healthcare providers they do have, because if those people are affected more, it'll make their way of life impossible or very hard to continue? Either way these claims are making it sound like they're all just going to drop dead of Covid because they couldn't go to hospital, and it just isn't the case.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Again this seems to be based on the idea that without PPE and modern healthcare, a large proportion of people who get Covid will die. Which simply isn't true. We've known for months that it just isn't the case. We've been learning recently that up to 50% don't even get ill at all. Maybe it's the case that they're worried about the healthcare providers they do have, because if those people are affected more, it'll make their way of life impossible or very hard to continue? Either way these claims are making it sound like they're all just going to drop dead of Covid because they couldn't go to hospital, and it just isn't the case.

I appreciate that, but there is more chance of them infecting each other given their living arrangements and I doubt they will be in a position to 'lockdown' who is going to furlough them...no one

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I appreciate that, but there is more chance of them infecting each other given their living arrangements and I doubt they will be in a position to 'lockdown' who is going to furlough them...no one

Right but the 1 - 5% (it's < 1% with modern healthcare) death rate applies to 100% infection rate, it's not the death rate when mitigated by social distancing and lockdown measures.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Right but the 1 - 5% (it's < 1% with modern healthcare) death rate applies to 100% infection rate, it's not the death rate when mitigated by social distancing and lockdown measures.

well lets hope so

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Or they may not have been exposed to western diseases and have not built up immune systems, we don’t know but even if one person out of a hundred gets it bad with a ventilator they will die.

Coronavirus isn't a western disease... nobody has an immune system that can fight this if they are already compromised. Everyone of a similar age and fitness should be equally susceptible.

Yes if someone gets it bad they could die, thousands here had died unventilated.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Thousands of people belonging to indigenous Amazonian tribes are at risk of being “wiped out” by coronavirus - leading them to call for help from the international community.

Many of Brazil’s 850,000 indigenous people live in remote Amazon areas such as Manaus – with little or no access to healthcare or personal protective equipment (PPE) - prompting indigenous leaders to ask the World Health Organization (WHO) for help in providing equipment unavailable to health workers in tribal reservations and villages.

According to the Articulation of Brazil's Indigenous Peoples (APIB) – an umbrella association representing 305 tribes – deaths from the virus have increasing more than five-fold in the past month.

COVID-19 related deaths among Brazil's indigenous populations rose to 182 by 1 June – a rise of 154 fatalities from 28 instances recorded at the end of April.

If deaths are 182 from a population of 850,000 that's relatively low isn't it?

[arista]

[Coronavirus: New UK travel quarantine rules a stunt,
says Ryanair boss]


[Michael O'Leary :
"You could be in Sainsbury's, you could be on the beach,
you could be on the golf course in the unlikely
event the Home Office
calls you - all they will have is a mobile number."

He claimed even the Home Office
acknowledged the rules were
unenforceable.
Some industries have warned they will be
severely impacted by the rules,
and Mr O'Leary warned of devastation.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52959118

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If deaths are 182 from a population of 850,000 that's relatively low isn't it?

I guess so I suppose it depends when the virus got there

[arista]

[COVID-19: New Zealand declares it is free from the virus
for now as it records zero active cases]

Easy for a smaller population Islands

[arista]

[Strictly Jake]

Im a bit suspicious we might not be getting told the correct numbers to help the new lockdown easing look like the right thing to do

Hopefully im wrong and the coronavirus is getting better

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Im a bit suspicious we might not be getting told the correct numbers to help the new lockdown easing look like the right thing to do

Hopefully im wrong and the coronavirus is getting better

I think it's a bit of both tbh. Numbers are dropping certainly (that's based on people I know working in various hospitals and ICU's confirming that the rate of new admissions is easing), but there's also some ****ery going on with the figures I suspect.

[bitontheslide]

all countries are manipulating figures at the moment, because they know they have to get the economies back up and running or we are all literally doomed.

Spain for example are reporting no deaths, when other departments are saying ... we had deaths ... and the reason is simple .... they rely on tourism .... come and get some sun covid isn't a particularly great slogan

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

all countries are manipulating figures at the moment, because they know they have to get the economies back up and running or we are all literally doomed.

Spain for example are reporting no deaths, when other departments are saying ... we had deaths ... and the reason is simple .... they rely on tourism .... come and get some sun covid isn't a particularly great slogan

Spain jumped the shark a bit, I'd have loved to have been in that meeting.

"You know when we said make it look like the numbers are dropping?"
"...yeah?"
"Did you do it?"
"Yeah I've just sent out the figures for the last 5 days."
"OK and did you make the drop gradual and realistic?"
".... .... .... hm?"
"You did make it a gradual drop right??"
"I just put a random number between 2 and 5 for three days then 0"
"Oh my god. Well we have to go with it now I guess!"

[Cherie]

55 deaths in UK today

and pubs will reopen two weeks early on 22nd June, too right, they may as well open everything now with people trampling everywhere

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

yesss London.....

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Cherie

55 deaths in UK today

and pubs will reopen two weeks early on 22nd June, too right, they may as well open everything now with people trampling everywhere

It’s being considered nothing has been confirmed.

[Strictly Jake]

I still have no idea what to do about the holiday house all my family are supposed to be going to in July

Pubs reopen, schools reopen, all shops reopen, everyone back to work, huge protests everwhere and people allowed on beaches and parks and allowed to play sport yet we still cant see our family members indoors??

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Im a bit suspicious we might not be getting told the correct numbers to help the new lockdown easing look like the right thing to do

Hopefully im wrong and the coronavirus is getting better

I’m very , very suspicious about these numbers now ... they seemed to drop suddenly and coincidentally on the 1st June .. I think there were around 120 on the very day that they’d said some primary kids could return and the moving around rules were relaxed slightly and many returned to work


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Samm

It’s being considered nothing has been confirmed.

Oh right thanks

[arista]

116,929 deaths USA
40,680 deaths United Kingdom
36,455 deaths Brazil
33,899 deaths Italy
29,158 deaths France
27,136 deaths Spain
13,699 deaths Mexico
9,606 deaths Belgium



From
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[arista]

Bloody Matt Hancock Again
doing the 5PM 10 Downing Street, briefing.

He is joined by David Pearson
Social Care Covid-19 Chair.

40,597

UK Deaths : 55


Live Now

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

40,680 deaths United Kingdom




From
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

Originally Posted by arista

Bloody Matt Hancock Again
doing the 5PM 10 Downing Street, briefing.


40,597

honestly I've stopped trying to decipher this DaVinci code system.