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and note slim said "anti-immigration" when we are talking about illegal immigration



just a poor and oft used tactic to besmirch and try and move the goalposts
Can't find where I said "anti-immigration," can you quote the post please, so I can see what I'm saying? Cheers.

Although I don't believe we should label other humans "illegal", because of where they are on the map at a random point in time.
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Home Office has no idea how many illegal immigrants are in the UK, says National Audit Office
The Home Office's last estimate for illegal migrants dates back to 2005 since when there has been no update
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they are exploited and lied to about the journey that the boat is safe as is the route

the routes are run by criminal gangs

not the Stena line
I agree they are lied to. They arrive at the sea front, see the massive over crowding and get on anyway because of a careless desire for adventure?
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they are exploited and lied to about the journey that the boat is safe as is the route

the routes are run by criminal gangs

not the Stena line
yes that was shown on our dutch Crimewatch show some time ago

also some boats depart from here too towards UK, and our border patrols have detected illegal immigrants couple times before departure
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Home Office has no idea how many illegal immigrants are in the UK, says National Audit Office
The Home Office's last estimate for illegal migrants dates back to 2005 since when there has been no update
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Doesn't look like this group were lied to...I've not had that much fun in about 12 weeks now ffs.
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Seems like a 3rd world country compared to the US

(I'm just messing ) The UK seems up there as one of the best countries to live in. I can't imagine what people saying it's awful/terrible would do in other areas around the world. I know I couldn't handle it and am really grateful/lucky just to live in the US
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I think this country is brilliant. That's not to say it's perfect, but a damn sight better than a lot of other countries !!!!
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I think this country is brilliant. That's not to say it's perfect, but a damn sight better than a lot of other countries !!!!
worst country in europe, i'd say Ukraine, i mean now with that still ongoing crimea crisis/conflict also not very comfortable living there i think

few of better european countries probably Poland, Germany, i'd also mention my country Netherlands, i mean despite far right clowns like Wilders and Baudet, everyone else in our parliament isn't against immigrants, or polish who come in here in summers to work
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Every country has bad eggs; I guess it's about having the perspective to weigh everything up and come to a general conclusion about your country when compared to a place like, as you said, Ukraine.

I'm not trying to sound Eurocentric at all but I do believe many European countries are largely peaceful and fair. We should all be doing our bit to accommodate those asylum seekers who are seeking refuge from wartorn countries in the Middle East and Africa.
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Every country has bad eggs; I guess it's about having the perspective to weigh everything up and come to a general conclusion about your country when compared to a place like, as you said, Ukraine.

I'm not trying to sound Eurocentric at all but I do believe many European countries are largely peaceful and fair. We should all be doing our bit to accommodate those asylum seekers who are seeking refuge from wartorn countries in the Middle East and Africa.



They would be happily sitting at home if they were on the winning side, and we would just have the other team pouring in.

The rest of the world should be coming together to stop these wars, rather than accepting the causes of these wars so freely.
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This country being better than worntorn Middle Eastern countries isn’t as much of a glowing reference as you seem to think it is
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This country being better than worntorn Middle Eastern countries isn’t as much of a glowing reference as you seem to think it is
Are you saying this a crap country to live in? Crap to grow up in the UK?
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the most tolerant country in the world

best music, tv and scenery

plus the home to the worlds language

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Wouldn’t want to live anywhere else in the world.
I love my part of Britain, with all its ups and downs.
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Also the weather, yeah we all moan about it, but i think we have a good balance here.
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Are you saying this a crap country to live in? Crap to grow up in the UK?
Some people would think so yeah, people who have had great upbringings will say so, but others who haven’t and have felt the brunt of societal differences shouldn’t be told they’re wrong
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yes we dont have weather that kills or animals/insects that kill

it really is a great place to live
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Some people would think so yeah, people who have had great upbringings will say so, but others who haven’t and have felt the brunt of societal differences shouldn’t be told they’re wrong
It's not about telling people they're wrong to feel this country is crap, it's about seeing the good this country brings.

I had a **** upbringing with an alcoholic parent, i had counselling (paid for by the Gov) that helped me through and helped shape my life. Help is always out there for those going throw hardship in the country. They make mistakes, but on the whole the UK looks after it's citizens.
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It's not about telling people they're wrong to feel this country is crap, it's about seeing the good this country brings.

I had a **** upbringing with an alcoholic parent, i had counselling (paid for by the Gov) that helped me through and helped shape my life. Help is always out there for those going throw hardship in the country. They make mistakes, but on the whole the UK looks after it's citizens.
Good for you, but help isn’t always there, mental health waiting lists are growing, social care is being abandoned, over the past 10 years the government has decimated the disability schemes, yes this country does have good points, but not gets to experience them
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Good for you, but help isn’t always there, mental health waiting lists are growing, social care is being abandoned, over the past 10 years the government has decimated the disability schemes, yes this country does have good points, but not gets to experience them
Agreed, being massively overcrowded (because of the so many millions wanting to live in this country). And cutting funding. However, for serious cases the mental health team are fantastic.
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Every country has bad eggs; I guess it's about having the perspective to weigh everything up and come to a general conclusion about your country when compared to a place like, as you said, Ukraine.

I'm not trying to sound Eurocentric at all but I do believe many European countries are largely peaceful and fair. We should all be doing our bit to accommodate those asylum seekers who are seeking refuge from wartorn countries in the Middle East and Africa.
That's the point though, people shouldn't have to "put up and shut up" with certain things just because we're not a war-torn country.

The kind of argument offered by the OP IMO is akin to telling a homeless person to appreciate they're in the UK and are not one of the dying kids in Africa.

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The UK is a ****house of arrogance and delusion over former glories.

Our country is not great, it has a good support network for vulnerable people but that's under attack and has been for years. The gullible public cheers on the party that's raping the NHS and social support systems while they foolishly look down on those vulnerable people and act like they are better when they're living wage to wage and can easily be crushed by the same government they cheer for when it crushes others.

We're a country that values comfort over hard truths, we like to think we rule the waves when we're basically the racist grandad of the world who's just about to be put into a nursing home.
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The UK is a ****house of arrogance and delusion over former glories.

Our country is not great, it has a good support network for vulnerable people but that's under attack and has been for years. The gullible public cheers on the party that's raping the NHS and social support systems while they foolishly look down on those vulnerable people and act like they are better when they're living wage to wage and can easily be crushed by the same government they cheer for when it crushes others.

We're a country that values comfort over hard truths, we like to think we rule the waves when we're basically the racist grandad of the world who's just about to be put into a nursing home.
I agree.

We sell our soul everytime ww vote because each perpetuates a myth that we are a democracy that values all equally and everyone has a voice and equal rights...they don't.

People from other countries believe this tale too, however the reality is entirely kafkaesque.
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Yeah the UK is rubbish, all walks of life come here for a laugh, we don't offer anything to these people. The UK is scum, people risk their lives to come here because they're thrillseakers. The mass European influx is nothing more than people just moving here because they're romanticised by the royals. The huge Muslim communities are only here for the weather.

Honestly, people need to get a grip. This country offers so much, and those who fight it at every turn should ashamed. WE ARE LUCKY!!!
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