[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not sure what your argument is here... saying they are both at fault means both are victims and abusers...
I can make that statement if I like whether it 'helps' or not.
It's not your call to suggest the debate can't include the opinion that they have both contributed to and been impacted by their own destructive tendencies. As well as being physically and mentally damaged by the actions of the other.

My view takes the fact that people are multifaceted and there isn't one abuser and one victim.. regardless of gender.

The phrase 'took on' was not directed towards amber it was those who provided statements for her in her defence. Whatever you think of her and the validity of her version these people are in a court of law to say she is right to say that... if she is making the whole thing up why would they 'take on ' Depp?

I never said you couldn't contribute whatever you want to contribute. I find that kind of response on this forum ridiculous. Disagreeing with what you are saying is not telling you you're not allowed to say it.

I gave my thoughts on what you said and how I found it reductive to the nature of abuse. "They're both abusers and victims" is reductive. That's my opinion.
I said they both have faults because they're human beings and not good/bad caricatures. That doesn't equate to them being equally to blame for abuse.

Why do I think 'they' would take on Depp? Who?
Her team? Money.
An abuser's web of lies doesn't just stop with their partner.

The Sun? Money.
The Sun are the ones on trial here.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said you couldn't contribute whatever you want to contribute. I find that kind of response on this forum ridiculous. Disagreeing with what you are saying is not telling you you're not allowed to say it.

I gave my thoughts on what you said and how I found it reductive to the nature of abuse. "They're both abusers and victims" is reductive. That's my opinion.
I said they both have faults because they're human beings and not good/bad caricatures. That doesn't equate to them being equally to blame for abuse.

Why do I think 'they' would take on Depp? Who?
Her team? Money.
An abuser's web of lies doesn't just stop with their partner.

The Sun? Money.
The Sun are the ones on trial here.

I don't care what you find ridiculous... I've made my point clear if you don't agree I'm really not bothered.
It's not reductive it's stating the obvious, now not only is she abusing Depp she's abusing all her friends to do her bidding?

The hate this woman is getting is crazy. This whole thing is crazy... the verdict will he very interesting I've nothing further to add till then. The use of language in this thread is rather unsettling imo.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't care what you find ridiculous... I've made my point clear if you don't agree I'm really not bothered.
It's not reductive it's stating the obvious, now not only is she abusing Depp she's abusing all her friends to do her bidding?

The hate this woman is getting is crazy. This whole thing is crazy... the verdict will he very interesting I've nothing further to add till then. The use of language in this thread is rather unsettling imo.

I don't need you to care. It's a discussion thread and I'll reply to any posts I choose and add my thoughts on the whole thing.

It's not only you who can do that. Try to keep it about the topic and less about me. I don't need your approval to add my own opinion, it's not all about you.

Did I say she was abusing her friends? I said abuser's lie? Do you not think it reasonable to suggest an abuser wouldn't discuss their abuse casually with friends and family and lying to those people would also be involved? Not sure why it has to be cartoon villainy for her to be an abuser. Almost like you don't really believe he can be a victim because he's a Hollywood A lister. Ridiculous.

I find an abuser being a liar is also pretty damn obvious. And no shrinking violets needed.

The verdict will be interesting, but not really definitive either way considering Depp and Heard are not the ones on trial.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't need you to care. It's a discussion thread and I'll reply to any posts I choose and add my thoughts on the whole thing.

It's not only you who can do that. Try to keep it about the topic and less about me. I don't need your approval to add my own opinion, it's not all about you.

Did I say she was abusing her friends? I said abuser's lie? Do you not think it reasonable to suggest an abuser wouldn't discuss their abuse casually with friends and family and lying to those people would also be involved? Not sure why it has to be cartoon villainy for her to be an abuser. Almost like you don't really believe he can be a victim because he's a Hollywood A lister. Ridiculous.

I find an abuser being a liar is also pretty damn obvious. And no shrinking violets needed.

The verdict will be interesting, but not really definitive either way considering Depp and Heard are not the ones on trial.

So your opinion is to mock my opinion.. and I've to just accept that? ok noted. As I've said made my point on this subject, whatever your view on that is it makes no odds to me. You read into it what you like.

Let's not have another thread with pages of 'I said' 'you said'...it's very boring.

[Tom4784]

Kizzy, calm the **** down.

You're choosing to take a difference of opinion as a personal attack and it's only reflecting badly on you. Don't be one of those stupid people that see an opposing opinion as a denial of your own freedom of speech.

There's absolutely no reason for you to try to drive this topic off the rails like this.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So your opinion is to mock my opinion.. and I've to just accept that? ok noted. As I've said made my point on this subject, whatever your view on that is it makes no odds to me. You read into it what you like.

Let's not have another thread with pages of 'I said' 'you said'...it's very boring.

Mock your opinion?



I disagreed with your opinion and stated why. You accused me of trying to shut you up and then proceeded to mock me by stating how much you don't care what I think. Now suddenly I'm the one being personal? Stop acting like a child.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Kizzy, calm the **** down.

You're choosing to take a difference of opinion as a personal attack and it's only reflecting badly on you. Don't be one of those stupid people that see an opposing opinion as a denial of your own freedom of speech.

There's absolutely no reason for you to try to drive this topic off the rails like this.

Here's Mr rational to tell me I'm being hysterical

I'm one of the 'stupid' people for not letting my words be shunted out of context?
Yourself Marsh and TS can have an opinion opposing mine as I said I don't care it makes zero difference to me. I've made my point.

You guys have chosen to railroad me on this thread, then you blame me? Lol

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Mock your opinion?



I disagreed with your opinion and stated why. You accused me of trying to shut you up and then proceeded to mock me by stating how much you don't care what I think. Now suddenly I'm the one being personal? Stop acting like a child.

Did I bruise your ego by saying I don't care what you think?...guess what?




I don't care. For the final time I've made my point here and I see you have too...There's nothing more to be said.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Did I bruise your ego by saying I don't care what you think?...guess what?




I don't care. For the final time I've made my point here and I see you have too...There's nothing more to be said.

Bruise my ego?

No I was just pointing out in your effort to victimise yourself that you were the one mocking and getting personal, not me. Clearly you have an issue with someone quoting you on a public forum, disagreeing and stating why and take it as a signal that you can't share your opinion. Newsflash, it's not.

Give your head a wobble.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Here's Mr rational to tell me I'm being hysterical

I'm one of the 'stupid' people for not letting my words be shunted out of context?
Yourself Marsh and TS can have an opinion opposing mine as I said I don't care it makes zero difference to me. I've made my point.

You guys have chosen to railroad me on this thread, then you blame me? Lol

Oh so I got snappy Kizzy because I dared disagree after two other members had disagreed previously? Did that bruise your ego?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Here's Mr rational to tell me I'm being hysterical

I'm one of the 'stupid' people for not letting my words be shunted out of context?
Yourself Marsh and TS can have an opinion opposing mine as I said I don't care it makes zero difference to me. I've made my point.

You guys have chosen to railroad me on this thread, then you blame me? Lol

You're being utterly bizarre.

You're choosing to take opinions that aren't in allignment with yours as an attack on your right to an opinion. An opposing opinion is not an attempt at silencing you.

No one is railroading you, no one is silencing you, I just have an opinion that's different to yours so drop the victim act and just stick to the topic.

[Kizzy]

Look at you.. telling me I'm bizarre, insisting my view is wrong, accusing me of acting like a victim.

What was it you said earlier about gaslighting?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Bruise my ego?

No I was just pointing out in your effort to victimise yourself that you were the one mocking and getting personal, not me. Clearly you have an issue with someone quoting you on a public forum, disagreeing and stating why and take it as a signal that you can't share your opinion. Newsflash, it's not.

Give your head a wobble.

See above.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Look at you.. telling me I'm bizarre, insisting my view is wrong, accusing me of acting like a victim.

What was it you said earlier about gaslighting?

Where did I tell you your views are wrong? Point them out to me, go on. I'm waiting.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

See above.

You accused me of shedding you of your right to an opinion and mocking you because I disagreed with you by telling me my opinion was not welcome.

Then tried to change the story to make that my issue.

I can assure you it's yours.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Where did I tell you your views are wrong? Point them out to me, go on. I'm waiting.

'No one is railroading you'... That's my view here. I never mentioned being silenced either. That's you projecting what you want into my posts.

The micro aggression in your post is noted too, if you have to wait for my response so be it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You accused me of shedding you of your right to an opinion and mocking you because I disagreed with you by telling me my opinion was not welcome.

Then tried to change the story to make that my issue.

I can assure you it's yours.

Nope.. I accused you of mocking my opinion suggesting it was 'reductive'. That's not your opinion on the case, that's your opinion of my opinion. ... which is why I don't care about it, you getting salty about that is your issue.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nope.. I accused you of mocking my opinion suggesting it was 'reductive'. That's not your opinion on the case, that's your opinion of my opinion. ... which is why I don't care about it, you getting salty about that is your issue.

Commenting on what other people post is pretty much the point of debate Kizzy. If you can't handle that, that's on you.

I found your point reductive and explained why, am I not allowed to say that? I don't need you to "care" in order for me to join the debate.

I might come across "salty" because you're accusing me of trying to shut you down by attempts at shutting me down. You've literally wasted a page of this thread now with off topic bullsh*t because you're very sensitive that anyone dare think something you said was wrong.

So either defend your stance on the topic or move on, I'm not defending my right to comment again. The issue is with you now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Commenting on what other people post is pretty much the point of debate Kizzy. If you can't handle that, that's on you.

I found your point reductive and explained why, am I not allowed to say that? I don't need you to "care" in order for me to join the debate.

I might come across "salty" because you're accusing me of trying to shut you down by attempts at shutting me down. You've literally wasted a page of this thread now with off topic bullsh*t because you're very sensitive that anyone dare think something you said was wrong.

So either defend your stance on the topic or move on, I'm not defending my right to comment again. The issue is with you now.

The posts are there to be read Marsh. ..I dont have to do anything in defence, I've nothing to defend. My stance is clear and rational.

The attempts to disect them as proof of bias, victim blaming or being in some way reductive is noted but not accepted.

How you interpret my comments does not and will not alter my intention. You can say it, and I can take your manipulation as mockery if I wish.

Anyone is free to project what they like into my posts, I will obviously make reference to it. I see you have disregarded my responses as 'bull****' to me that is reductive.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The posts are there to be read Marsh. ..I dont have to do anything in defence, I've nothing to defend. My stance is clear and rational.

The attempts to disect them as proof of bias, victim blaming or being in some way reductive is noted but not accepted.

How you interpret my comments does not and will not alter my intention. You can say it, and I can take your manipulation as mockery if I wish.

Anyone is free to project what they like into my posts, I will obviously make reference to it. I see you have disregarded my responses as 'bull****' to me that is reductive.

Right so you've understood what an opinion is.

Great.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Right so you've understood what an opinion is.

Great.

And you understand what mockery is...everybody wins.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And you understand what mockery is...everybody wins.

Wrong.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Wrong.

Lol

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'No one is railroading you'... That's my view here. I never mentioned being silenced either. That's you projecting what you want into my posts.

The micro aggression in your post is noted too, if you have to wait for my response so be it.

And my view is that you weren't being railroaded, you had people disagreeing with you and you couldn't handle it. Opinions are a two way street and you're going on a rampage because you can't handle my view. Grow up.

You speak of projection and then you once again infer something that wasn't there... I just have to laugh at the hypocrisy.

[Vanessa]

I just think her story doesn't add up.
When she said she was hit, the people who were there said that she had no bruised at the time its supposed to have happened.
And she was recorded saying that he wouldn't be believed that he was a victim of abuse.
Let's remember that she has a history of domestic abuse and he doesn't.