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13-07-2020, 07:45 AM | #26 | |||
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I presume they arrested on the IP address? so it probably was him as a more savvy internet user might have covered his tracks? but it hasn't been confirmed as yet so I don't really see what the issue is with waiting for the full story
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13-07-2020, 07:52 AM | #27 | |||
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'Full story'
A player was racially abused and they arrested the person responsible for the message or responsible for the PC that sent the message. What full story? They wouldn’t have made an arrest if they were not sure of those facts? Tis kid maybe experiencing terrible abuse but regarding the facts of the case, the facts are quite clear cut.
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13-07-2020, 08:13 AM | #28 | |||
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so the police don't arrest white people in error now Yes the message came from that IP address, a 12 year old has been arrested, but not charged, why are you so keen to move on? if he was a 30 year old living on his own I would say case closed, but its not quite that is it?
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13-07-2020, 08:15 AM | #29 | |||
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Do you have other facts as you're already speculating? They arrested him so for now the case is progressing
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13-07-2020, 08:25 AM | #30 | |||
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I would imagine they have a pretty strong case to believe it was the child. If they have discovered the messages were sent from an IP at that house their first line of enquiry would have been with the person who pays the bill for the internet....or they have further investigated and found it to have been sent from a particular device....possibly phone / computer belonging to the child.
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13-07-2020, 08:32 AM | #31 | |||
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That it exactly what I am saying and which you took great issue with to begin with, he has not been charged so like anyone else arrested, he is innocent until proven otherwise, so it seems we have come full circle I am not speculating about anything I was just offering up scenarios as to why it might not be as cut and dried as you were originally suggesting.
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13-07-2020, 08:34 AM | #32 | |||
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13-07-2020, 08:38 AM | #33 | |||
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You have not offered any scenarios, sorry?
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13-07-2020, 08:40 AM | #34 | |||
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They do that dont they.
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13-07-2020, 08:43 AM | #35 | |||
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13-07-2020, 08:45 AM | #36 | |||
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Yes I did, if it were an adult living on their own there wouldn't be any further questions to be asked
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13-07-2020, 08:50 AM | #37 | |||
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Has it occured to you that the kid might be a twat and his family twats too. ? Seems a likely scenario to me.
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13-07-2020, 08:54 AM | #38 | |||
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why don't you read what I post, rather than what you think I post
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13-07-2020, 08:58 AM | #39 | |||
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I know what you posted. I always know but often find it confusing.
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13-07-2020, 09:02 AM | #40 | |||
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They are known for knee jerk reactions, I'm not doubting that. What I meant though was they wouldn't have got the ip address and immediately thought that the 12 year old was responsible. They must either have had evidence, confession or the parent's telling them it was the 12 year old to make the arrest surely? If my IP pinged a criminal offense with the police I assume as the bill.payer I would have to prove it wasn't me committing the crime initially rather than them come in and instinctively decide it was the kid in the house.
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13-07-2020, 09:14 AM | #41 | |||
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13-07-2020, 10:38 AM | #42 | ||
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Either way, even assuming they did come from him, I personally think it's a stretch too far to brand a 12 year old "a racist" and to take any action other than an attempt at education. 12 ffs. They have absolutely no idea what they're doing or saying, it's becoming increasingly common to project adult motivations on kids these days and it's really troubling. Again, the -only- time it's appropriate to take further legal action against a child is when physical violence is involved. Politicised winky-faces and whataboutery in a case involving a child is in very poor taste, is all I'll say. But hey, it's 2020. |
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13-07-2020, 10:47 AM | #43 | |||
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13-07-2020, 10:50 AM | #44 | |||
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Do you? I thought it was pretty plain myself but whatever. Maybe I'm a bit too thick to transfer my thoughts adequately, I am Irish after all
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13-07-2020, 10:50 AM | #45 | |||
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racist behaviour should not be tolerated, no matter what age
however i would not make it a jail sentence, given it regards a 12 yr old here, you can still try to educate this kid on how wrong racism is
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My thoughts are that a 12 year old is very likely to be an echo chamber of their parents and friends, and while those attitudes CAN follow them for life if they're not getting alternate input, it's far from too late. Before about 14 they're simply not neurologically capable of any real introspection at all. Plenty of adults look back on their attitudes from childhood/teens and are gobsmacked. The main issue with treating it harshly/shaming is that it doesn't usually "nip it in the bud" at all - it compounds and cements it. That's true even in adults, but if it happens at that age it's likely to be set in stone.
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13-07-2020, 11:08 AM | #47 | |||
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Lots of comments regarding re-education. Would that be for just the child or the whole family, as we seem to have a consensus that this child may not be fully responsible. If the attitudes are so ingrained in the child then how would that help if they are still growing up in a toxic environment?
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13-07-2020, 11:09 AM | #48 | |||
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Its not plain at all. Hence my confusion.
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13-07-2020, 11:11 AM | #49 | |||
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13-07-2020, 11:18 AM | #50 | |||
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The child has a few decisions to make in the next few years so good luck to him but for this incident we must talk about more than re-education
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