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parmnion · 16-07-2020, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Her case is being funded by the taxpayer

Ffs!!

Marsh. · 16-07-2020, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

How will she get back?

First class ISIS Airways

thesheriff443 · 16-07-2020, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Prison should be about rehabilitation (wherever possible) and if someone is getting their sentenced halved, it's most likely for good behaviour, not for extra criminality.

No sunshine, a day in prison is worth two in the out side world so unless a judge says a minimum sentence they must serve they will be out in by half the sentence.

Repeat offenders treat prison like an occupational hazard.

Tom4784 · 16-07-2020, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK

. Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

Pretty much, she made her decision but if she's deported then we have no choice but to take her.

I have no sympathy for her either way, my only sympathy is for her children that never got the chance to live.

Tom4784 · 16-07-2020, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Allowing murders to live does not make us better people, spend the money on good people who deserve it not those that a took a father mother brother sister or child away from there families.

Using murderers (not even a murderer, in this case) as an outlet for bloodlust doesn't make someone a good person either.

If someone's sitting in their armchair crying out for blood then they are not much better than those they'd condemn.

The Slim Reaper · 16-07-2020, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No sunshine, a day in prison is worth two in the out side world so unless a judge says a minimum sentence they must serve they will be out in by half the sentence.

Repeat offenders treat prison like an occupational hazard.

OK buster, does that mean If I go to jail I could live twice as long?

Quick maffs.

Jigs · 16-07-2020, 04:12 PM

A high profile case like Shamima's will probably mean she'll need constant supervision in the UK; for her safety and for ours. Saying that, I don't think she's much of a threat to the national security of our country and any issues that come out of this will probably be as a result of people going after her, as opposed to the other way around.

Idk the extent of her extremism but putting her in a specialist detention/rehabilitation center would be a fine way of establishing some positive change whilst also keeping her separate from the GP.

arista · 17-07-2020, 05:42 AM

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thesheriff443 · 17-07-2020, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Using murderers (not even a murderer, in this case) as an outlet for bloodlust doesn't make someone a good person either.

If someone's sitting in their armchair crying out for blood then they are not much better than those they'd condemn.

See you are trying to make me into a monster.

To make the world a better place you have to get rid of the bad.

Prison is a holiday camp, that’s if they even get to prison, and early release has allowed those in prison that serves as a threat to go on and murder.

thesheriff443 · 17-07-2020, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

OK buster, does that mean If I go to jail I could live twice as long?

Quick maffs.

No it means you can get a sentence that is not a real sentence.

Local guy just got sentenced to seven years for killing a 13 year old by knocking him off his bike bike while on drugs.

He got seven years but will be out in 3 and a half.

Is three and a half years all that boys life was worth?

Kizzy · 17-07-2020, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The point remains as it always has been: she has to be somewhere, she was born in England, she is English, she should be in a prison in England.

"We don't want her" isn't a valid argument, "not wanting her" doesn't mean we get to palm a UK citizen off on another country. Imagine the screeching if other countries tried to insist their criminals should be locked up in the UK

. Hypocrisy. The same people sayi g "we don't want her" would be insisting we "send their criminals back where they came from".

Of course, we did this topic to death round and round in circles back when it was first an issue and it was constantly turned into a "bleeding heart" strawman so... Let's see how this one goes.

Yep...all of this.
You cannot render someone stateless. She will have to be a citizen of somewhere.. and she is. Here.
As said it's silly to suggest beause she is overseas they have to keep her.
As I think I remember saying in my usual bleeding heart fashion, bring her home where we can monitor her movements to assess how much of a threat she poses going forward.

thesheriff443 · 17-07-2020, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Pretty much, she made her decision but if she's deported then we have no choice but to take her.

I have no sympathy for her either way, my only sympathy is for her children that never got the chance to live.

She probably killed them herself, did you see the interviews she has done?

Wouldn’t trust her as far as I could throw her.

thesheriff443 · 17-07-2020, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yep...all of this.
You cannot render someone stateless. She will have to be a citizen of somewhere.. and she is. Here.
As said it's silly to suggest beause she is overseas they have to keep her.
As I think I remember saying in my usual bleeding heart fashion, bring her home where we can monitor her movements to assess how much of a threat she poses going forward.

She can set up the, i was a isis bride group

And hold coffee mornings.

I have no doubt she will be allowed back and after some do Gooders have spoken to her softly for a few sessions she will be back on the street being totally supported by the benefit system for the rest of her life.

arista · 17-07-2020, 08:09 AM

Mystic Mock · 17-07-2020, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

First class ISIS Airways

I've heard that's explosive.

Tbh I hope that she gets sent to Prison for a long time as she's a threat to society.

Mystic Mock · 17-07-2020, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Using murderers (not even a murderer, in this case) as an outlet for bloodlust doesn't make someone a good person either.

If someone's sitting in their armchair crying out for blood then they are not much better than those they'd condemn.

Tbf that's not true as the murderer wants to harm/has harmed innocent people in certain circumstances where as the "bloodlust" people are calling for a murderer to be harmed. I'm not saying it's right, but they're still much better people than murderers or ISIS sympathizers imo.