[Oliver_W]

Yeah I never thought Corbyn himself was antisemetic, but he was arguably a bit too tolerant of it within his party.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You will never wipe it out because it's a societal issue. Just like people will always be anti black, anti-immigrant, and anti-muslim etc. There was actually a study done that I posted in a thread on here somewhere that showed anti semitism within labour was actually lower than society as a whole. That doesn't excuse these findings, but the reframing from Corbyn is an anti semite to labour are anti semites is interesting.

I'm no fan of labour these days, and especially starmer who has slotted straight back in as a tory-lite, talking more about being tough on crime, over a citizenry decimated by austerity.

Meanwhile, all the holier-than-thous happily voted in a racist with a laundry list of his own statements proving how racist, homophobic, anti semitic, and islamophobic he is.

I accept a lot of what you say there.
However I don't believe in those seeking power in the Country, that in their parties there should be racism, xenophobia or antisemitism.

It needs to be wiped out of those parties and organisations.

Now of course, in society generally, that's harder, however there shouldn't be any tolerance at all of it surfacing in Parties putting themselves forward for election.

I believe it should and has to be eradicated.
So there I have to not agree, it cannot be.

I never have believed Labour is riddled with it, and I've been on the receiving end of personal insults as to antisemitism to myself on here.

I learned last year, it's wrong to even just try to defend yourself on here as to those inferences/ accusations and even insults.

However, forward looking is now what's needed.
I always said Corbyn needed to do more.
I think that's recognised by Starmer actually.
I don't think he is Tory- lite myself
However that's for others to make their mind up on.

I never like party leaders anyway usually.
Only one I've time for at present is Nicola Sturgeon.

As for Johnson, well I can't disagree, it's clear he holds worrying unsavoury thinking on race too.
Which slips out once he moves off this controlled script he's been given the last year or more.

I don't think he sees problems in his own party which are there too.
On many issues.

However, a full investigation into antisemitism and Labour has been done.
Which I was really glad to see take place.
I doubt it will and hope it doesn't find that the party is riddled with it.

However the fact it came about is really bad in itself.
It's recommendations,if any, must be implemented in full.
Labour at least though, then has to learn and ensure this is dealt with properly and yes, got rid of anywhere in the Party.

I'm 28, ever since I learned what it is, I've detested antisemitism.
I'll always stand against it through the rest of my life.
As I do any racism of any nature.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

There were undoubtably anti-semites within the Labour Party, unfortunately they’re everywhere, in every party, in every country and they should all be dealt with accordingly, Corbyn however was not one of them and the Labour Party is not institutionally anti-Semitic, at least the Labour Party welcomed an investigation, whereas the Tories refuse to even consider an investigation into the rife racism within their party

Labour never had any choice but to agree to the investigation, it wasn't a choice they had. When have the Tories refused an investigation like this?

And yeah, the rest is just whataboutery.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Yeah I never thought Corbyn himself was antisemetic, but he was arguably a bit too tolerant of it within his party.

He enabled it. If he truly isn't an anti-Semite he had only to open his mouth say anything that wasn't a denial.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

He enabled it. If he truly isn't an anti-Semite he had only to open his mouth say anything that wasn't a denial.

He did.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm not looking for any argument. I made a post, you responded. What you really wanted, was to make a sly dig and have no one question you about it.

Sly dig? What was the sly dig? The fact that you didn't think there was much of a problem and prefer the old leader to the new one, or that I called the rest of your post whataboutery. Which it was.

Okay? Bye now...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He did.

Wow.... at last.

But you know, he hates Rangers and he hates the Jews....

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

Wow.... at last.

But you know, he hates Rangers and he hates the Jews....

He did years ago.

Is this the quote from the dossier?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Despite our differences I will say that Joey's stance has never changed on this. He's never deflected nor made excuses.

I want to thank you for that.
I haven't deflected.

I'm aware of the hurt and betrayal not only to Jewish MPs and members but also voters and those not Labour supporters in Jewish communities which was felt.
You, yourself too have.

The only thing to do with a wrong is put it right.
Not just attempting to by words but by all necessary action too.

Actually I feel that anti-semitism anywhere in UK politics, even moreso in Labour is that scandal I describe it as.
The decision to apologise and compensate shows already more of the action and healing needed to learn from this and rebuild trust.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

That'll be why they paid out all that money. And that'll be why a statement from the Party said "“Under the leadership of Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner, we are committed to tackling antisemitism within the Labour party. Antisemitism has been a stain on the Labour party in recent years,” the spokesman said. “It has caused unacceptable and unimaginable levels of grief and distress for many in the Jewish community, as well as members of staff." I'm not a massive supporter of Sir Kier, but he's head and shoulders above the last old Soviet nostalgist.

And yet still some in the Labour party are in denial.

Denial.. Apeasement is all this is. Again labour are not and never were antisemitic.
A change in spokesperson isn't going to change that. They settled is all which neither proves or disproves anything. A nice wedge makes it all better though it seems?

The whatsapp messages are swept under the carpet also, which kind of proved the point for the accusations of smears in the first instance. This is an interesting point from novara media.

Youtube video

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

The failure to acknowledge and address the problem and to continue to deflect the issue with whataboutery is what got the Labour Party into this problem in the first place and I see it's still going strong.

By whataboutery are you referring to the opinions of the Jewish Corbyn supporters?...

The 'problem' was not addressed, they threw some money at it is all. That's the tory way, I expected better from Labour.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

This thread isn't about the Tory leader, It's about the anti-Semitism in the Labour party that was never really addressed until now. As you know.

People jumped to Corbyn's defence then and they'll jump to his defence now, and given your previous posts on the subject, shall we say that you and I are in totally different corners. You say you're against racism but I have to say our exchanges on the subject have painted you quite differently. So I'll leave it there.

How do you end a thread about defamation?. ..By defaming someone of course!

[arista]

[Rapper Wiley MBE ,
dropped by management over Anti-Semitic posts]

[In one tweet he said:
"I don't care about Hitler, I care about black people",
and also compared the Jewish community to the Ku Klux Klan.]



[On Instagram, videos of himself were interspersed
with posts of screenshots - which have since
been deleted - including one at about midday on
Saturday suggesting Twitter has suspended
him from tweeting for a week.
He had already been given a 12-hour ban
on Friday night, but resumed tweeting on Saturday.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53536471

[Kizzy]

How odd, for me saying you don't care about Hitler you hare about black people does not mean you're antisemitic... it means the two issues are not comparable :/

Would be interesting to see the rest of the tweets in context.

[arista]

[Brother Leon]

Labour still hasn’t done anything in regards to their own members and MPs bullying and racially abusing their fellow colleagues and they never will. Empty token political gestures like this mean very little when you consider that.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Livia

He enabled it. If he truly isn't an anti-Semite he had only to open his mouth say anything that wasn't a denial.

And avoid being photographed in dubious surroundings.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

And avoid being photographed in dubious surroundings.

Is there a point if reference here?

[arista]

[Kizzy]

Well well. .. the very group that sought to destroy the party from within have got pound signs in their eyes now.
Love the media framing of this that their social media based collusion should be private!
Labour need to fight this, through the courts it's damned either way though if it does the whole sorry debacle will be out in full and all those he'll bent on preventing labour winning the previous 2 elections will be exposed...if they don't they face financial ruin.

This whole issue was designed to destroy Labour, antisemitism has been used as a weapon. I've stated before how I feel it's disgusting that the genuine cases they have had and the steps they took to tackle the issue have been ignored in favour of a media circus.

Let every little detail come out... Labour has to wash ALL its dirty linen in public now, trying to protect those who have been exposed is not an option .

[Oliver_W]

Yeah, regardless of how much antisemitism really was in the party, there'll be "ambulance chasers" dredging up what they can in order to get money or clout.

Similar to how the #MeToo movement devolved to people moaning about a hand on the knee 40 years ago lol.

[bitontheslide]

Corbyn and his cronies have a lot to answer for, that's what I take away from all of this.

I think stammer is doing a good job all round at the moment, and it's better that all the dirt is exposed now rather than interfering at the next election

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Labour still hasn’t done anything in regards to their own members and MPs bullying and racially abusing their fellow colleagues and they never will. Empty token political gestures like this mean very little when you consider that.

Maybe if you're part of the community that was abused, ignored, stigmatised etc by Corbyn supporters, perhaps you wouldn't feel like it's an empty gesture.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Corbyn and his cronies have a lot to answer for, that's what I take away from all of this.

I think stammer is doing a good job all round at the moment, and it's better that all the dirt is exposed now rather than interfering at the next election

Exactly. Labour deserve better instead of having their message twisted up in hate.

[Liam-]

A lifelong anti-racist activist, who always fought for equality, was slandered and smeared by the elite so a lifelong racist could run the country for them, it’s shameful that people are still labelling an honest man with a completely false character.