[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, I just think that if this is a worthy discussion...then why isn’t/wasn’t it worthy with so many songs where the sexual content is so male dominated ...and yet this one song...?...and apparently it’s discussable and inferring that it shouldn’t be something that’s okay for either without labelling it ‘erotica’, like in the discussion/or opinion vid...

Sure, my only objection to it really is that some people are claiming its a feminism moment and progressive

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sure, my only objection to it really is that some people are claiming its a feminism moment and progressive

..I’m going to give it more though because I’m not e tiredly sure what my thoughts are yet...but, I’d like to see more in depth female opinion in the same way as Russell has just given....because I’ve only seen his vid and then that talk through thing with Ben Shapiro......I’m not sure if that’s meant to be a mock or something serious...anyways, it doesn’t sit right with me atm that males would comment in it and yet haven’t before with anything Male dominant and more sexually explicit...why does it take something like this for some to speak out and say...actually, this isn’t feminism, you should want better..?.../...or similar...

[Ammi]

...the title that he’s given the vid is bugging me...to even pose the question ‘....or porn...’... when it’s obviously not porn....

[Niamh.]

Thing about it is Ammi and another difference between this and male rappers talking about sex, is that maybe verbally its like for like but visually in both instances its the women that end up the ones objectified and half naked

[James]

This reminds me of when Annie Lennox criticised Miley Cyrus.

Russell Brand is a parent now, so I guess that is one of the ways people's perspective changes over time.

That and the fact that chart music becomes unlistenable to lot of people when they get older.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by James

This reminds me of when Annie Lennox criticised Miley Cyrus.

Russell Brand is a parent now, so I guess that is one of the ways people's perspective changes over time.

That and the fact that chart music becomes unlistenable to lot of people when they get older.

Regarding Miley Cyrus, thats a good example of the difference between male artists and female, if a man had done wrecking ball it wouldn't have been him swinging naked on the ball, he would have a hired a woman to do it

[armand.kay]

why are people acting like this is something new??? old ass people too who were around when Madonna released a coffe table book filled with her nudes

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

why are people acting like this is something new??? old ass people too who were around when Madonna released a coffe table book filled with her nudes

Old ass?

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Old ass?

sorry queen I meant to say wise

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

sorry queen I meant to say wise

That's more like it

[Oliver_W]

Well, quite. There's virtually nothing new or interesting about this particular song ("song") so why is this one of all things triggering some weirdos and sparking discussion in others it's somewhat baffling...

[Calderyon]

Porn. Softcore kind, but porn regardless imo.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Well, quite. There's virtually nothing new or interesting about this particular song ("song") so why is this one of all things triggering some weirdos and sparking discussion in others it's somewhat baffling...

My only issue with it (and I suppose technically speaking that's not really the fault of Cardi B unless she's actually claimed its a feminist master piece which I don't think she has) is people acting like that has been claimed but as far as I can see Ben Shapiro was the first one who brought feminism into it

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nobody bats an eyelid when put out songs about sex, but woman are still expected to remain silent about their sexualities, is the song great? No, is it going to forward the feminist movement any? No, but who cares? It’s just a song, I will never understand why things like this trigger people so much, especially the blokes who probably watch porn on the regs but have a coronary whenever a women talks about sex.

And as for Brand, I love him, but he is a hypocrite, he made a career from being a famous sex addict, that was his whole shtick, he gave a bloke a handjob in a public bathroom for a tv show ffs.

Pretending that emulation and subversion of aggressive male sexual norms that objectify the female is somehow empowering for the female because it "takes back agency" of these male-focused porn acts is... Well, it's a take. A bit too much from the "confused progressive" slant, if I'm honest. A bit.

If I though it was a satire or parody of male rappers then maybe? Maybe it is, and then maybe it is clever. But I sadly suspect its playing into the same largely misogynistic male-rapper-tropes but "With a female doing it OHHH!!" and that's a bit sad. I mean the whole thing is overlaid with a male voice looping "we got some hoes in this house".

Like I said though, maybe it's a social commentary satire and it's going over my head.

[Marsh.]

It reminds me of Lily Allen's Hard Out Here only without the sarcasm.

[Niamh.]

I like how Joe Rogan is half defending Ben Shapiro but also lists one of his strengths as being good at arguing with uneducated people

Youtube video

[James]

I found out today that Russell Brand is Kirsty Gallacher's brother-in-law. Never knew that before.

[arista]

An Old Clip From when Thatcher Died

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I like how Joe Rogan is half defending Ben Shapiro but also lists one of his strengths as being good at arguing with uneducated people

Youtube video

...awww, I don’t know who the lady was that Joe was chatting with...but I was hoping for a female perspective on the song/vid, FINALLY......but the opinion was on Ben, mostly...which you said actually but I hadn’t read it properly....


...I still don’t know where I stand with this because I’m one of THOSE people who have always felt that hip hop is male dominated/sexist etc and it would be lovely to see more female injected into it....I mean, to see some really prominent female hip hop artists...and here we are, we finally got there...so I don’t want to be one of THOSE people who are now feeling....EXCUSE Me......


....females are sexualised every day and in many ways, in a way that males aren’t...and that in itself is always worthy of criticism and discussion and yet it wouldn’t still be happening if it was criticised and discussed as much as it should have.../...that sexualisation, I mean...not hip hop music and its content...Russell Brand, who i like, even did it himself, because he felt the vid and content was erotica....but surely that’s like saying...’well she wore this/or she acted that/or she said whatever...’...it’s surely him projecting some of his ‘woman views’....anyway, as I say, I still don’t have formed opinions as such...but with female sexualisation being part of so much in society on a daily basis...it just doesn’t sit right to me atm to ‘single out’ this song and vid when these amazing ladies are finally bringing the much needed ‘female’ to hip hop...and I totally see that it’s not ‘wholesome, family content’ etc...but for me it’s about seeing these ladies for the people they are and how they’re a huge part in the evolvement of hip hop and making it much less Male dominant...so far the discussions it seems to have sparked, appear to be judging these ladies ‘by their cover...’...and adding to the sexualisation that is felt being displayed...rather than ‘reading between the lines’ of having any interest in them as outstanding female hip hop artists....

[Tom4784]

I didn't watch the video as I find Russell to be longwinded but to be honest, I don't really see the song as being any different to most male rap songs that go on about shagging girls with big tits and big asses, the only difference is in this song is that they're saying they want big dicks to 'fill up their tiny garage'.

Given that most female rappers tend to have fanbases that are mostly female/LGBT focused, I wouldn't really say that the video is primarily focused on the male gaze since it would be a disconnect from it's intended audience. I do see the merit in claims that it's embracing female sexuality though since in a lot of ways, it's a song that's focused on the female take on sexualising the opposite gender. Is it backwards or progressive? You can make a case for either.

I've always considered feminism, in a large part to be about the equality of choice, that women should be free to pursue the same things that men do or that, if they choose so, they can be a housewife if that's what they want (same for men, tbh, there shouldn't be any shame in being a househusband) what's important is that they have the choice. I think there's power in embracing sexuality, especially when even in today's world, female sexuality is still something that is quite looked down upon. If I had a banging bod, I'd never wear a shirt unless I had to and I'd feel great about it so I can't begrudge someone for having the confidence to be feel empowered in their own flesh, especially when the world is often down on women for doing so (while men are often applauded for showing off).

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

An Old Clip From when Thatcher Died

Finally a brand of feminism I can get behind.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Finally a brand of feminism I can get behind.

She is a bit Nasty

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

She is a bit Nasty

I agree, especially the way she decimated the north of the country.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I agree, especially the way she decimated the north of the country.

You Sly Fox

[Ammi]

......I think that you’re flirting with Slim, Arista...