[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes and then more especially those whom are ancient, what rule britannia, land hope & glory are

britain is no longer an empire, so no need for these songs anymore

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Livia

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

The British empire is (by a considerable margin) the largest and most wide-reaching empire in global history... and also... as far as I know, the Italians aren't singing patriotic songs about the Roman Empire .... nor the Byzantines... nor the various Reichs... haven't heard many blaring trumpets for the Mongols either.

I don't have any massive personal issue with the songs but I do think that, in general, patriotism need not include conquest. I do think there's an issue with overall British and especially English culture where the concept of national identity and patriotism is heavily linked to Empire, so there's a struggle in knowing what to sing about if NOT "ruling the waves". Most countries have anthems that are much more "inward looking" - even the ol' Star Spangled Banner is about "America at home" and not their global activities.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Livia

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

Quite. The world's history is long and bloodied. Black people have been slavers, white people have been slaves. All races have been slavers and slaves. Virtually all races have built empires.

To act as if any people alive today should feel guilty for their ancestors is just stupid.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

yes i understand, but also brexit was created by people who believe they are still an empire while britain isn't a long while anymore

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

You understand that Britain wasn't the only "empire"? I mean, you'd get that idea from the left leaners here who seem to hate this country.

You know the Roman Empire did terrible things, but that's fine, it was a long time ago... so how long until we can appreciate a British patriotic song while at the same time having the brains to understand what the empire actually was and what it actually did.

If you're left leaning you hate the country?...

The Italians aren't singing songs from the Roman empire are they? It's history.. brutal and undemocratic history.

[LeatherTrumpet]

The Divine Comedy, Irish band, they sing about the roman empire as it goes

You know, if you have any mind at all,
Gibbon's divine "Decline And Fall"-
Well, it sounds pretty flimsy
No more than a whimsy ...
By way of contrast,
On Wednesday last
I went to a marvellous party

[LeatherTrumpet]

Boris takes on BBC over Last Night of the Proms: PM says UK must tackle 'substance' not 'symbols' of racism amid calls for ban on Rule Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory for 'celebrating the British Empire'



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ght-Proms.html

[arista]

He can sod off

[LeatherTrumpet]

A victory for the GBP




Boris shoots

and he scores

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[MB.]

Congrats to you all on getting het up over absolutely nothing

[Kizzy]

Can someone explain to me why the pm gets to choose what is or is not in the line up of a BBC TV programme?

[Ammi]

...they‘ll be orchestral versions/no lyrics...but only for this year, they’ll be sung again next year...(..assuming COVID restrictions allow...)...in my own opinion, this has just all been media hype led and slantEd as it was all only being discussed for many reasons and restrictions were a huge consideration also... Dalia Stasevska, sadly...has been receiving much online abuse and personal attacks... she’s been mad a target for such venting, when any discussions that may have happened for adaptIon this year for various reasons etc...have been with all of the musicians...

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[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

**** you loser Farage

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

**** you loser Farage

He is no Loser
he got Brexit done

[UserSince2005]

Does the BBC really think the proms is watched by the over grown grumpy teenagers that is the left?
They just alienated the proms only reviews lol.

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[The Slim Reaper]

Even if we accept it's about Freedom (I don't), the white natives in this country for most of the time of our empire, were not far off being slaves themselves, so exactly what freedom?

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