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Old 21-09-2020, 08:57 AM #51
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people don't need to do anything nicky, laws are only enforceable if people want to abide by them, and people wont abide by any new lockdown
i think we all know Health comes first, and not your unnecessary socializing

forgive me pls for being kinda over the top, but i'm feeling annoyed no one feels same way as i do

i care also about UK, which is why i get bit cautious when it comes to this virus


as for my own country, we also do not enough, we should go for another lockdown as well


countries who i applaud are Australia, Denmark, New Zealand, Austria, Iceland, kinda Norway too since they are still doing sort of well despite easing down of some measures, even some people in audiences of sports matches they do better with distancing than in my country (was very annoyed to see so many people next to each other yesterday at feyenoord match in rotterdam one of corona hotspots currently here and nothing being said about it on news either this morning)



yes i admit i am ProLockdown, since i think precautions are best to go for rather than wait until its too late
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but what was your idea then Bots, as for shielding the old and vulnerable?

i think you guys might find our first ''intelligent lockdown'' somewhat of interest


maybe we need to go back to that either


with special shopping hours early morning for elderly, vulnerable people

for example just before schools begin so they can avoid spreaders like children, teens and also before work shifts begin so they can avoid middle aged people group
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Why on earth would we care about Farage’s opinion on anything?
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How do you make selfish people change without a lockdown.
One selfish person can if they get this, then infect many others who are doing things right.

So you need the law to enforce change.
Anyone breaking lockdown rules, should feel the full force of penalties for doing so.
However no lockdown then that's not really feasible.

Growing numbers of areas are on lockdown and strict restrictions again.
That isn't having the effect a full lockdown had sadly.

Nobody really wants another lockdown.
However if it is the only way and last resort to bring down infections then what else can be done?

Things were eased too much too quickly in my view..
I don't want to lose any more people from my life to this virus.
If a lockdown can help prevent that, I'd support it.
A lockdown would destroy the economy, a destroyed economy will also lead to a loss of many lives, including the vulnerable.

The downfall of the economy has so many other impacts, including more deaths

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If we have to lockdown again, then so be it, the response should have been quicker and done properly the first time around, when you’ve got a government that continuously makes excuses for themselves flouting their own rules, it’s not hard to see why people ended up not bothering with it themselves, the way it’s going now it’s just going to be an endless cycle of ****housery and meaningless rules that don’t apply to the elite and it’ll all still get blamed on the young and common.
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If we have to lockdown again, then so be it, the response should have been quicker and done properly the first time around, when you’ve got a government that continuously makes excuses for themselves flouting their own rules, it’s not hard to see why people ended up not bothering with it themselves, the way it’s going now it’s just going to be an endless cycle of ****housery and meaningless rules that don’t apply to the elite and it’ll all still get blamed on the young and common.
Absolutely spot on.
Better to do it sooner too, as the rhetoric is where that's heading again now anyway.
Rather than due their usual procrastination and wait and see how worse things get.

Rather than trying to limit things getting worse in the first place.
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People seem to be blaming the government regardless. Going into lockdown too early can be a waste of time. Right now hospital admissions are extremely low, if we went into lockdown last week we around be halting almost no spread with a much larger cost to the economy
For almost no impact/pause on COVID. Going into lockdown too early can be ineffective and just a waste of time/millions of money with little impact, and then people will tire of the rules/lockdown when it would really matter as the lockdown was wasted.

At least people have been flouting the rules when COVID has been killing less people than the flu/other illnesses rather than during the peak.
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I really don't think it's the government confusing people its the media ,one minute saying we are having a second lock down then saying one is not needed, IF we are told a lock down is necessary because some people have not adhered to advice ,then surely that's what we should do , but human nature as it is will always think it doesn't apply to them ,so they will never comply, so I don't know the answer to that one and I know I will get well' they don't stick to the rules themselves' comments, but really its just an excuse to flout rules, just because someone else does something does not mean we should do the same, not everything has been spot on, mistakes have been made ,but the blame game is always aimed at the government when really we should all do our bit, no matter if others have not.A lot of hate is aimed at Boris when he is just really the messenger.
Of course it's the government but then you'd say what you have anyway.

They are the ones getting the scientific and public health advice.
They are the ones who DECIDE and dictate what's needed to protect as near all as possible.

If it's not the government with their confusing messaging, contradictory too.
One day saying get everyone back to work and the cities.
Get pubs and restaurants open with NOT the relevant checks in place.

The testing chaos which has to be led by government and the science.
Which has become a dangerous farce.

Who else is to blame.

I hate the media, however they're only printing the endless contradictory messaging from government.
It's the media that have helped expose the testing tripe this government spouts out.
It's the media who highlighted the losses of Doctors and Nurses lives for lack of protection equipment.
It's the media too who helped expose the cruel sacrificing of elderly in care homes too.

Things this rotten Government all tried to cover up.

I know who I to blame, and I'd be saying this no matter what Government was in.
I'd never even think of trying to defend the indefensible.
It's this disgraceful PM and his government,as to the scandal he's presided over all through in this pandemic.
Of UNNECESSARY deaths of peoples loved ones.
Leaving devastation in the lives of those mourning lost loved ones too.

This government who now cannot and hadn't been for ages, even publicly sending condolences to all bereaved.

Odious creeps are what we have in this Cabinet, nothing else in my view.
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Hasn’t the North East been in lockdown since March effectively and its not worked at all
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Hasn’t the North East been in lockdown since March effectively and its not worked at all
The North East had one of the least problems originally with this, I believe.
They've only just had new restrictions, not any great lockdown put in place.

However, the whole Country was in lockdown from March.
The flare ups in ALL the areas affected have followed the easing of lockdown.
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Hasn’t the North East been in lockdown since March effectively and its not worked at all
was there armed military force? NO

so your point means nothing lol
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was there armed military force? NO

so your point means nothing lol
There didn't need to be Nicky.

That area of the UK was one of the least affected.
The problem there has arisen since the government eased lockdown and sent the message, get back to pubs, restaurants, eat cheaply Monday to Wednesday.
Get back to the offices and populate the town centre again.
Acting like the danger was near over.

That's where the problem has arisen.
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was there armed military force? NO

so your point means nothing lol
so you want to shoot people while they are on a night out?
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so you want to shoot people while they are on a night out?
Snipers shooting on sight
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so you want to shoot people while they are on a night out?
in current times you shouldn't be ''on a night out''


exceptions only for elderly, vulnerable of course, especially elderly since they need their walks outside their homes in park, bit of contact among each other whilst socially distanced (which they can stick too as we know better than 20-30 youth)

not exactly shooting people, it is more for display like if we got armed forces on streets patrolling, it feels much more serious, youth could maybe then see the dangers of this coronavirus pandemic crisis so a lockdown might be much more effective then

and also not easing down too soon anymore would also be my advice, if it decreases a lot, wait 1 or 2 more weeks until you know it for sure and it decreases to almost zero new cases then start easing down, and working on rebuilding good stable economy again
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oh look ... granny forgot to wear her mask in the supermarket ... quick bullet to the head will solve that problem
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oh look ... granny forgot to wear her mask in the supermarket ... quick bullet to the head will solve that problem
don't be silly, if we can shield elderly from main group of spreaders 20-30 age group

they can possibly go to supermarket and be safe with and without masks (maybe for extra caution that they want to wear a mask in terms of contacts with cashier)
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It is a virtual bullet to the head to anyone vulnerable or elderly who comes across anyone infected with this virus.
Whether the person infected knows they are or don't.
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so you're saying my own thoughts on this are flawed then

and if so, good i am not a PM then or health minister
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It is a virtual bullet to the head to anyone vulnerable or elderly who comes across anyone infected with this virus.
Whether the person infected knows they are or don't.
I do find that a bit hyperbolic to be honest, even among the very elderly the death rate is not 100%, its more like 10 - 20% for the elderly as an overall group.
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I do find that a bit hyperbolic to be honest, even among the very elderly the death rate is not 100%, its more like 10 - 20% for the elderly as an overall group.

I did say VIRTUAL bullet.
Which means not completely or wholly as described.

Plus while, it may not kill all.
There are all those unrecorded levels, which never the less are the case.
Of those badly affected as to permanent lung damage or other organ damage.
With their lives further hit, even after surviving.

There a lot left after this virus hits, to some of those as to even poorer health,.
Not just the deaths.

All I care about is ensuring the safety of the vulnerable and elderly and no way will I after learning of the losses of loved ones to myself and others.
No way will I ever look for ways to downplay that.

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Nicola said we are in a much better positiion to deal with this now

I like her postitive take
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Think we were always going to be facing this one way or the other tbh. I'm glad we reopened what we did in the summer when transmission was low so that we had a few months of laxer restrictions and could give the economy a boost because the autumn and winter were always going to be tough
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Nicola said we are in a much better positiion to deal with this now

I like her postitive take
She's been great throughout. Far better than Boris
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