[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is so ‘politics’ and demonstrating of ‘Boris politics’ as well...get people to look at people and judge people...judge the younger, the older, the townies, the countryphiles, the neighbours, the bus travellers and etc and etc, etc.../...all distractions from facing the government and Boris square in the face...

Divide and conquer, exactly.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...this is so ‘politics’ and demonstrating of ‘Boris politics’ as well...get people to look at people and judge people...judge the younger, the older, the townies, the countryphiles, the neighbours, the bus travellers and etc and etc, etc.../...all distractions from facing the government and Boris square in the face...

but it is up to people to take individual responsibility for their actions, now all i see everywhere is ****ing government. The principles have not changed since March - social distance, wash your hands and don't have any unnecessary close contact outside your family circle. There is nothing confusing in this at all, and people saying it is confusing are only doing so because they don't like the restrictions or are just frustrated in general and want to complain. The government wouldn't need to enforce any restrictions at all if people just did what they were told to do

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

This is in rural essex.

Then why are the local councils not running school busses? Last time I asked about this I was told that it was because it would be "impossible due to London traffic". Clearly that's not the case in rural Essex .

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Divide and conquer, exactly.

...otherwise known as the Brexit strategy, I think...

[Ammi]

...nothing has changed since March and yet the government didn’t step into each phase...they ran and leapt with changes and yet nothing had changed...while many people cried noooooooooo, just slowly please, let’s see how this phase unfolds...they were running too quickly to pay any heed because they’d made their decisions based on ‘no change and nothing new to see here..’....

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...nothing has changed since March and yet the government didn’t step into each phase...they ran and leapt with changes and yet nothing had changed...while many people cried noooooooooo, just slowly please, let’s see how this phase unfolds...they were running too quickly to pay any heed because they’d made their decisions based on ‘no change and nothing new to see here..’....

and they were right to open up quickly and take advantage of the summer where the spread of the virus was low .... If they hadn't done that our economy would have been completely down the pan

[Ammi]

...it was and still is down the pan, I would say...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Let's not fling all of the kids in the UK under the bus (excuse the pun) just because London is a rat warren; most places in the UK aren't an overcrowded mess so most kids don't have to go on public transport to get to school. Close London schools if you must .

In London some of the public transport buses are for school kids only, one of the few things the Mayor has got right

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In London some of the public transport buses are for school kids only, one of the few things the Mayor has got right

Parmy told me that snot-nosed brats are sneezing all over little old ladies and TV repairmen .

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...it was and still is down the pan, I would say...

yeah, but it was a short flush rather than a long one

[Ammi]

...the long and the short of the flush, it doesn’t really matter in the ‘grand scheme’ and in terms of the economy which was pretty much screwed in its destiny from when Ms COVID first visited ...but it very much does matter in terms of exposure and lives...nothing at all had changed and lives that will be lost now in the up and coming, may have been saved if Boris had realised the fundamental of...nothing at all had changed...

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the long and the short of the flush, it doesn’t really matter in the ‘grand scheme’ and in terms of the economy which was pretty much screwed in its destiny from when Ms COVID first visited ...but it very much does matter in terms of exposure and lives...nothing at all had changed and lives that will be lost now in the up and coming, may have been saved if Boris had realised the fundamental of...nothing at all had changed...

i fundamentally disagree with this. A tiny percentage of the population are vulnerable to covid. Efforts should be made to protect and shield them and let everyone else get on with normal life. You don't fix an issue with broad strokes. You zero in and take precise action to protect those vulnerable ... that is the most effective solution. That way, the effect on our economy would have been minimal

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Then why are the local councils not running school busses? Last time I asked about this I was told that it was because it would be "impossible due to London traffic". Clearly that's not the case in rural Essex .

I think there are so many kids from the same area going to different schools, I have at least 12 kids on my bus who are travelling over 15 miles to get to thier school even though the bus passes 3 other schools on the way.

Most of them sitting with thier masks pulled down I may add.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i fundamentally disagree with this. A tiny percentage of the population are vulnerable to covid. Efforts should be made to protect and shield them and let everyone else get on with normal life. You don't fix an issue with broad strokes. You zero in and take precise action to protect those vulnerable ... that is the most effective solution. That way, the effect on our economy would have been minimal

...so either way../..both ways../...every which way, Boris did it wrong...from every angle../every aspect../...every personal perspective even ..of your fundamental thoughts, my fundamental thoughts and etc etc.../..thoughts...


...I’ll leave you to your day, bots...I think this is where I came in so a good place to leave for the moment.../...he could have made ‘much more right’ decisions...but he made ‘much more wrong’ ones and that’s all on him...

[parmnion]

Ain't all these restrictions so the vulnerable dont have to self isolate while the rest of us get on with it..I'm sure boris made it very clear that locking away all the vulnerable is out of the question yesterday.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Parmy told me that snot-nosed brats are sneezing all over little old ladies and TV repairmen .

I dont really find the situation funny, I'm basically sharing a livingroom with 20 other families for 40 minutes a day on the bus. Then going in and out of 6 or 7 different homes during the day..surely that's not very safe.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I dont really find the situation funny, I'm basically sharing a livingroom with 20 other families for 40 minutes a day on the bus. Then going in and out of 6 or 7 different homes during the day..surely that's not very safe.

Can't you work from home, If someone want's their telly fixed can't they bring it to you?

[Toy Soldier]

My plumber works from home. Absolute carnage when my shower stopped working last week.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i fundamentally disagree with this. A tiny percentage of the population are vulnerable to covid. Efforts should be made to protect and shield them and let everyone else get on with normal life. You don't fix an issue with broad strokes. You zero in and take precise action to protect those vulnerable ... that is the most effective solution. That way, the effect on our economy would have been minimal

Can you tell me just WHERE, even in these measures where he is protecting the vulnerable.

Millions are vulnerable to this virus as to underlying health conditions and age.

Just what did he announce for them yesterday to protect them.
You harp on dismissing this point all the time.
He isn't protecting or shielding the vulnerable.

He's taken away all he had in place.

Now you'll retort back with we are all responsible for ourselves and others likely.

What about those still now worried that shielding was ended.
How do you shield IF you have to go out, mixing with more and more people.

Where has he put any protection in place as you're saying above protection for the vulnerable should be..
Where has he put any protection to them, even for those who still wanted it and needed it.
He only just brushed aside the vulnerable and elderly in both the Commons and TV address.

Millions vulnerable are a tiny part of the population.
Really.
That sounds like a good line for Johnson to adopt himself actually.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...so either way../..both ways../...every which way, Boris did it wrong...from every angle../every aspect../...every personal perspective even ..of your fundamental thoughts, my fundamental thoughts and etc etc.../..thoughts...


...I’ll leave you to your day, bots...I think this is where I came in so a good place to leave for the moment.../...he could have made ‘much more right’ decisions...but he made ‘much more wrong’ ones and that’s all on him...

.... and you are right Ammi.
I really have to leave this thread too.

Unbelievable is all I'll end with at what I read here.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Can't you work from home, If someone want's their telly fixed can't they bring it to you?

No.

[parmnion]

Hes protecting the vulnerables rights as human beings, by NOT locking them away..unfortunately hes relying on everyone else to help with that..and that's the stumbling block because most people dont give 2 ****s about anyone but themselves these days.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Hes protecting the vulnerables rights as human beings, by NOT locking them away..unfortunately hes relying on everyone else to help with that..and that's the stumbling block because most people dont give 2 ****s about anyone but themselves these days.

That's not true.. look at the last lock down, I had to work through it and on my way to and from work there was literally nobody anywhere. Leeds was a ghost town.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not true.. look at the last lock down, I had to work through it and on my way to and from work there was literally nobody anywhere. Leeds was a ghost town.

I dunno. That didn't last very long and it was mostly (in my opinion as a misanthrope) mostly because of the confusion and scare stories. Everywhere was abandonned because people were scared for themselves, not out of a desire to protect the vulnerable. As soon as people started getting comfortable with the idea that "Covid is out there" they started heading back out.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Hes protecting the vulnerables rights as human beings, by NOT locking them away..unfortunately hes relying on everyone else to help with that..and that's the stumbling block because most people dont give 2 ****s about anyone but themselves these days.

Didn't you have major issues (to put it mildly) about wearing masks?