[Marsh.]

Or was their chat up line "What brings you to a place like this? Government grant or Daddy's savings?"

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Dont unis do that ‘talk’ for freshers about respect or was that one off? Uni are about about making money now, it was easier to offload him than to educate him

? Unis are places of education they have a duty of care to all students. If you fall short of the admission policy then you have your offer revoked and givenue to someone else. Simple as. Once you get in you are reminded of the codes if conduct and the repercussions if you fall short.
It isn't a universities obligation to instil respect into prospective students.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not the posh boys thinking the poor would come in covered in soot and wearing rags.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

? Unis are places of education they have a duty of care to all students. If you fall short of the admission policy then you have your offer revoked and givenue to someone else. Simple as. Once you get in you are reminded of the codes if conduct and the repercussions if you fall short.
It isn't a universities obligation to instil respect into prospective students.

So there is no pastoral care offered in uni?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Of course there's a "grey area", the idea that there's a switch that gets flipped on a certain date that turns a child into an adult is illogical and ridiculous. "Happy 18th Birthday, you're an adult now!!" is the dangerous ground.

You are misunderstanding my point. There is no grey area where this talk is acceptable in anyone...of any age.

That is why I feel the uni was right to withold admission.

As I've said before your window of cognitive competence is a tad narrow imo. And is limited to people around your age it seems...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So there is no pastoral care offered in uni?

I don't think uni applicants get to use that. Only students.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So there is no pastoral care offered in uni?

For students yes... This guy fell short of the accepted standards of the university prior to enrollment.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't think uni applicants get to use that. Only students.

He would have been a student if they didn’t withdraw his place, he might have benefitted from some counselling to increase his emotional maturity

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

For students yes... This guy fell short of the accepted standards of the university prior to enrollment.

And thats my point, it was easier to offload him, cant be wasting any of that 9k fee on him ...its all about bums on seats

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

He would have been a student if they didn’t withdraw his place, he might have benefitted from some counselling to increase his emotional maturity

Why would they feel they have to do that?...They have made him aware he needs to work on his attitude and self awareness that's a good life lesson...for free.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

And thats my point, it was easier to offload him, cant be wasting any of that 9k fee on him ...its all about bums on seats

It isn't it's just policy..all institutions have those.
If you apply for a job and they find you're some sexist online you may have your offer revoked...They don't give you the job but immediately refer you to HR for a disciplinary.

[bitontheslide]

when I went to uni it was fun .... changed days

[Tom4784]

Rape culture is a problem in universities and attitudes like this are often the beginning, they see women as less than and they treat them as such because they think they are entitled to. Even if it doesn't lead to rape, it's still gonna cause massive damage to the victims of this game's self esteem, confidence and potentially cause mental health issues during a time of great change and uncertainty that isn't exactly helped by the climate of the world atm.

It was the right decision.

[Oliver_W]

Expelling someone over that is going a bit far. Of course "lads" are going to "banter", and what's more it's fresher culture to pork an uggo, povvo, or fatties.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Expelling someone over that is going a bit far. Of course "lads" are going to "banter", and what's more it's fresher culture to pork an uggo, povvo, or fatties.

grim

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Expelling someone over that is going a bit far. Of course "lads" are going to "banter", and what's more it's fresher culture to pork an uggo, povvo, or fatties.

Revolting

[Swan]

I've known plenty of people like that, they're tossers and they never change. I have no sympathy whatsoever. And trust me, he'll be fine in life. Mummy and Daddy will come to the rescue.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Revolting

Originally Posted by Niamh.

grim

Ikr, why would they ot go for the hottest

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Ikr, why would they ot go for the hottest

I don't know why you think it's hilarious, we're talking about actual human beings here

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Expelling someone over that is going a bit far. Of course "lads" are going to "banter", and what's more it's fresher culture to pork an uggo, povvo, or fatties.

You really have a problem with women, don't you?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know why you think it's hilarious, we're talking about actual human beings here

He’s trying his hardest to be the resident edgelord

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You are misunderstanding my point. There is no grey area where this talk is acceptable in anyone...of any age.

It's a good thing I didn't at any point say it's acceptable then, isn't it?

As I've said before your window of cognitive competence is a tad narrow imo. And is limited to people around your age it seems...

Nothing to do with cognitive competence, it's about maturity and naivity, which we have to excuse in the young to some extent or we're going down a very dodgy path. Young people talk out of their arses, they try to be edgy, they think it's funny, they encourage each other... I think it's really scraping the sociological barrel to start tarring people for life at 18 "because they were adults who should have known better".

Again I haven't even said it was the wrong decision; they removed the offer from ONE of a group of people who were all involved in these conversations, which suggests that the one who was denied entry "took it to another level" in some way that hasn't been specified. They HAVEN'T removed the offers of all of the people involved, so that suggests that the University understands that it's possible for them to redeem themselves.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Expelling someone over that is going a bit far. Of course "lads" are going to "banter", and what's more it's fresher culture to pork an uggo, povvo, or fatties.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

grim

Originally Posted by Liam-

Revolting

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Ikr, why would they ot go for the hottest

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know why you think it's hilarious, we're talking about actual human beings here

Originally Posted by Liam-

He’s trying his hardest to be the resident edgelord

See here we have a prime example - we could just ban Oliver for his nonsense but we don't, we accept that he's just doing "immature internet stuff" and let him know that it isn't funny or edgy and gradually he does it less and less. If we banned him he'd be off in a 4chan echo chambre getting a tonne of positive reinforcement for comments like this. We all know that he'll turn out alright in the end so we keep him around.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Expelling someone over that is going a bit far. Of course "lads" are going to "banter", and what's more it's fresher culture to pork an uggo, povvo, or fatties.

Oh well if its "culture".

[LeatherTrumpet]

WOuld it not be fair however for those that decided to expel the boy for them to allow their social media posts to be published so that students can make sure that they are not posting vulgar things too?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

WOuld it not be fair however for those that decided to expel the boy for them to allow their social media posts to be published so that students can make sure that they are not posting vulgar things too?

It wasn't social media posts it was WhatsApp messages (which means someone within the group, or someone with access to one of their phones, shared it with the Uni). They can't reveal things that weren't originally posted publicly I imagine, but they probably should outline the reason, again given that not all involved faced the same punishment, so there should be more clarity on what constituted "crossing the line".