[Crimson Dynamo]

what a speech. Schooling the opposite side of the house - have a watch and see what you think? (it's very watchable and NOT boring)

Equalities Minister Kemi Badenoch made a speech during a debate on Black
History Month, in which she said any British schools teaching critical race theory
are “breaking the law” and criticised the “anti-capitalist” Black Lives Matter
group.

Youtube video

[The Slim Reaper]

We now have a school system where it is illegal to criticise capitalism, and even talk about systemic racism against black people. I'm sure the Galahad free speech warriors will be up in arms about these infringements.

True 1984 stuff.

[Crimson Dynamo]

many are saying she would make a great leader in the future

[Oliver_W]

Criticising capitalism is fine tbh. But critical race theory has no place in ... Well, anywhere really. Apart from Tumblr.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Criticising capitalism is fine tbh. But critical race theory has no place in ... Well, anywhere really. Apart from Tumblr.

Why not?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Why not?

What good will come from telling people they're automatically victims and oppressed based on their skin colour?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What good will come from telling people they're automatically victims and oppressed based on their skin colour?

Except that’s not what it does

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Except that’s not what it does

What does it do then?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What good will come from telling people they're automatically victims and oppressed based on their skin colour?

Is teaching about the holocaust, and the fact that jews have been treated with suspicion and murdered for all of modern history just about teaching them to be victims?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Is teaching about the holocaust, and the fact that jews have been treated with suspicion and murdered for all of modern history just about teaching them to be victims?

That's different as critical race theory treats the issues as being current, it's not describing historic events.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Why not?

Because it upsets the racists and we can't have that!

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Criticising capitalism is fine tbh. But critical race theory has no place in ... Well, anywhere really. Apart from Tumblr.

If you’re talking about race science and how iq tests are used to dehumanise black people and call them stupid I agree

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Elliot

If you’re talking about race science and how IQ tests are used to dehumanise black people and call them stupid I agree

I'd question where this is actually happening - as I can't think of anywhere that uses IQ testing in any official or mandatory capacity. The only IQ tests I've ever taken were an official one out of curiosity, and online ones (which are mostly bull**** anyway) for "fun".

I'm aware of the standard IQ test being culturally biased, but unless you take an IQ test because you fancy taking an IQ test... there's no reason or scenario I can think of where someone would be asked to take one at all.

The bias of the test also has nothing to do with biological race bias by the way - it is entirely cultural/location bias (i.e. which country you were educated in).

[Redway]

What’s your obsession with discrediting BLM?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what a speech. Schooling the opposite side of the house - have a watch and see what you think? (it's very watchable and NOT boring)

Equalities Minister Kemi Badenoch made a speech during a debate on Black
History Month, in which she said any British schools teaching critical race theory
are “breaking the law” and criticised the “anti-capitalist” Black Lives Matter
group.

Youtube video

Hard to argue with any of her points

The major takeaway that we cannot improve history, we can only learn from it, and that we must stop importing the an American narrative because it is not the UKs

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Hard to argue with any of her points

The major takeaway that we cannot improve history, we can only learn from it, and that we must stop importing the an American narrative because it is not the UKs

How are we learning from history by making discussions illegal? That's willfully ignoring, not learning.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

How are we learning from history by making discussions illegal? That's willfully ignoring, not learning.

who is making discussion illegal?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

who is making discussion illegal?

Discussing the abolition of capitalism is outlawed.

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...al-in-teaching

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Discussing the abolition of capitalism is outlawed.

https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...al-in-teaching

It prohibits schools using material from anti-capitalist groups as an educational tool, that's not the same as making it 'illegal to criticise capitalism'

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

How are we learning from history by making discussions illegal? That's willfully ignoring, not learning.

I agree but I also think a large part of the current problem is socio-political theory (e.g. Critical Race Theory) not being discussed as theory, but instead taught or pushed as fact, with critics branded simply "wrong" (or worse) even when doing something as basic as playing devil's advocate to further the theory... which is of course the antithesis of an academic discussion.

If something like CRT (or the BLM movement, for that matter) isn't open to examination or criticism, or at least is often not providing logically sound philosophical defenses of the theory but instead relying on ad-hominem against the critic, then they stop being political theory and become political dogma.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree but I also think a large part of the current problem is socio-political theory (e.g. Critical Race Theory) not being discussed as theory, but instead taught or pushed as fact, with critics branded simply "wrong" (or worse) even when doing something as basic as playing devil's advocate to further the theory... which is of course the antithesis of an academic discussion.

If something like CRT (or the BLM movement, for that matter) isn't open to examination or criticism, or at least is often not providing logically sound philosophical defenses of the theory but instead relying on ad-hominem against the critic, then they stop being political theory and become political dogma.

CRT is not even that controversial really. If we take Badenochs point, there's some weird suggestion in there that schools could be promoting abolition of police forces and prisons, and I just find it impossible to believe this is happening without any evidence.

Then she uses an anecdote about a policeman being called the n-word as the reason she knows that BLM is a political movement.

This is pure theatre, there is nothing intellectually honest she's presenting as any kind of counter if she wanted to play devils advocate. There is no discussion here; it's "we're not this, we shouldn't teach that." It's being used for culture war purposes.

She is not encouraging or advocating any discussion on anything, and the bigger problem for those in power isn't that CRT exists, it's that the ideology that created the curriculum in the first place is being challenged.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

CRT is not even that controversial really. If we take Badenochs point, there's some weird suggestion in there that schools could be promoting abolition of police forces and prisons, and I just find it impossible to believe this is happening without any evidence.

Then she uses an anecdote about a policeman being called the n-word as the reason she knows that BLM is a political movement.

Hmm, I think the BLM issue is a complicated one because whilst it's false to define the entire BLM sentiment as one political movement with any specific organized element, it's equally disingenuous to pretend that there AREN'T multiple political movements that could be considered (and probably consider themselves) to be "BLM movements". I see a lot of both, to be honest, and neither assessment of "what BLM definitively is or isn't" seems accurate.

This is pure theatre, there is nothing intellectually honest she's presenting as any kind of counter if she wanted to play devils advocate. There is no discussion here; it's "we're not this, we shouldn't teach that." It's being used for culture war purposes.

She is not encouraging or advocating any discussion on anything, and the bigger problem for those in power isn't that CRT exists, it's that the ideology that created the curriculum in the first place is being challenged.

I agree with all of that though, it's Commons soapboxing so it's never going to be an honest discussion of issues... there will always be a heavy element of party-political propaganda.

[utopianman]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

How are we learning from history by making discussions illegal? That's willfully ignoring, not learning.

Its the hardliners on the left and other radicals who are making it difficult to discuss these issues as they automatically accuse any critics as racist when theyre not

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by utopianman

Its the hardliners on the left and other radicals who are making it difficult to discuss these issues as they automatically accuse any critics as racist when theyre not

Do people accused of racism lose the ability to speak? I'm tired of the whole 'wah, people are trying to silence me by pointing out racism' bull****. If you aren't a racist, refute it, argue against it.

If right wingers feel silenced by accusations of racism then perhaps they should better learn how to argue their points and defend themselves better. Or, they could just try to be at least less racist.

[UserSince2005]

I learnt about the slave trade in year 6 which must have been about 20 years ago