[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Great ... combining two completely separate, unproven vaccines TOGETHER !!

What could go wrong !?


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They're "testing" it. How do you think vaccines are made?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Not if they’re not used to doing it ...

I’ve had nurses who struggled to take blood before now ..

They’re talking about ‘training’ people to give the injections due to the sheer numbers involved


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Why wouldn't they be used to doing it if it's their profession... Do you ask plumbers if they are 'used' to fixing leaks?

Taking blood is entirely different and depends on the patient as to how difficult or easy it is to find a viable vein.

You weren't discussing training random people, you specifically referred to nurses and alluded to some general incompetence.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They're "testing" it. How do you think vaccines are made?

They’ve not had time to properly test them individually ( long term effects ) so pardon my apprehension when I learn they are already mixing two together


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why wouldn't they be used to doing it if it's their profession... Do you ask plumbers if they are 'used' to fixing leaks?



Taking blood is entirely different and depends on the patient as to how difficult or easy it is to find a viable vein.



You weren't discussing training random people, you specifically referred to nurses and alluded to some general incompetence.

Just try reading between the lines .. or maybe I just didn’t explain my apprehension well enough ...

I’ve explained my stance since then so either move on or just forget what I said ..


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[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

They’ve not had time to properly test them individually ( long term effects ) so pardon my apprehension when I learn they are already mixing two together


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To test them.

They're not randomly mixing unknown substances together and injecting the population.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Just try reading between the lines .. or maybe I just didn’t explain my apprehension well enough ...

I’ve explained my stance since then so either move on or just forget what I said ..


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No I don't want to 'read between the lines' you've discredited a whole profession due to 2 incidents. It's not right or fair to do that. I'll forget it only due to the fact it was entirely nonsensical.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No I don't want to 'read between the lines' you've discredited a whole profession due to 2 incidents. It's not right or fair to do that. I'll forget it only due to the fact it was entirely nonsensical.

Yes two incidents that could have killed me though !!


Jesus wept .



Just let it go ....


Edit

I’ve put you on ignore ... Life is stressful enough .

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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Zizu

They’re talking about ‘training’ people to give the injections due to the sheer numbers involved


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They're talking about training people specifically to give the vaccine because, despite what some seem to believe, the rest of the health service hasn't (and can't) grind to a halt for Covid. They can't just snatch a tonne of nurses away from their usual jobs to give Covid vaccines because they still have a job to do like at any other time...

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They're talking about training people specifically to give the vaccine because, despite what some seem to believe, the rest of the health service hasn't (and can't) grind to a halt for Covid. They can't just snatch a tonne of nurses away from their usual jobs to give Covid vaccines because they still have a job to do like at any other time...

I understand that but it does mean that thousands of inexperienced people will prob be giving the injections and that could lead to problems.


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[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I understand that but it does mean that thousands of inexperienced people will prob be giving the injections and that could lead to problems.


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It could lead to problems but trying to stretch current already overworked nursing staff to do their own work plus an immunisation project on this scale could lead to further problems.

I am sure any problems would be minimal though zizu. I understand your concerns and anxieties especially after the couple of errors you have experienced in the past and you won't be forced to have it if you are too fearful but I am sure it will be safe

[bitontheslide]

the process of giving an injection is very simple, it doesn't need much training. I was taught to give injections years ago, and it is literally a 5 minute exercise. I then proceeded to give a relative injections every day without issue

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the process of giving an injection is very simple, it doesn't need much training. I was taught to give injections years ago, and it is literally a 5 minute exercise. I then proceeded to give a relative injections every day without issue

I injected myself during some treatment I was having and also had to inject my mum was she was sick. I agree, its fairly straightforward.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I injected myself during some treatment I was having and also had to inject my mum was she was sick. I agree, its fairly straightforward.

all those who apply to do ithe vaccinations are all background checked too

[Toy Soldier]

Depends, its a bit more complicated than that really. The process of giving an injection (at least into the muscle, so you don't have to find a vein) isn't that difficult - although you do have to make sure it ISN'T in a vein as A) it'll be ineffective and B) you'll cause bleeding and heavy bruising.

Dosage won't be an issue either as they'll be packaged as individual doses, most likely.

However what might be an issue - especially with Pfizer - is that some of these vaccines are li'l snowflakes and need to be handled properly or they won't work as effectively (i.e. Some won't work at all). They won't harm you, but they also won't immunise you. However that's fairly easily solved by having a few experienced staff in charge of handling and distribution, and the less experienced staff just doing the stabbin'.

[Toy Soldier]

Also when you're talking of experience giving an injection... They'll be doing so many that they'll have like a year's worth of experience after the first couple of days .

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Depends, its a bit more complicated than that really. The process of giving an injection (at least into the muscle, so you don't have to find a vein) isn't that difficult - although you do have to make sure it ISN'T in a vein as A) it'll be ineffective and B) you'll cause bleeding and heavy bruising.

Dosage won't be an issue either as they'll be packaged as individual doses, most likely.

However what might be an issue - especially with Pfizer - is that some of these vaccines are li'l snowflakes and need to be handled properly or they won't work as effectively (i.e. Some won't work at all). They won't harm you, but they also won't immunise you. However that's fairly easily solved by having a few experienced staff in charge of handling and distribution, and the less experienced staff just doing the stabbin'.

The first time I had to inject myself, they were subcutaneous injections in my stomach. I hit a vein every time I think. By the end of the time I looked like I'd been hit with a very big bat, it was hard to find an area that wasn't bruised. The second time, I managed perfectly and had no bruising at all. I found the injections into muscle were far less likely to bruise.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

They’ve not had time to properly test them individually ( long term effects ) so pardon my apprehension when I learn they are already mixing two together


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It's good to be cautious, but some of the world's best are involved in making these Vaccines against Covid so I think it's best to try and stay optimistic that there won't be long term effects.

[bitontheslide]

Covid vaccinations will start being given to patients from GP surgeries in England as part of the next stage of the rollout of the programme.

GP practices in more than 100 locations will receive their first deliveries of the vaccine later, the NHS said.

Some will start vaccinating on Monday afternoon, with the majority getting under way on Tuesday.

[arista]

A new Vaccine is being tested in the UK
it is a Nasal spray.
And does not need cold storage

Was on Part of SkyNewsHD Business Report 10:50AM today

[arista]

[Coronavirus vaccine: 137,000 people in UK get
COVID jab in first week]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-week-12163995

[arista]

[arista]

[Vaccinated: Sir Ian McKellen CBE, 81,
has safely received the Covid-19 vaccine
after the NHS launched its vaccine rollout
earlier this month]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...9-vaccine.html

[arista]

[Cherie]

Moderna vax has been approved in the US

[Kizzy]

I'm hoping my mum didn't miss out on her first dose because her practice notified patients for the 200 doses they had ( yrs thats all) by text!!

She doesn't have a mobile.