[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes.

At a certain point though, as I said, surely 'covid lite' is just as dangerous as covid. These are people who can be killed easily with a bit of a bad stomach..

I get why they were done, as the government would look cold as **** to do it my way. And it doesnt sit right to just 'leave them as they might die either way' but..in terms of actually sorting the economy and stuff...and also thinking about how many are getting flu symptoms from the vaccine...seems...almost counterproductive to induce flu symptoms in the very old/vulnerable?! Those symptoms alone could easily kill/hospitalise that group..then we are back to square one/.

There are actually a few "high profile doctors" who are questioning if enough testing was done with the "very elderly" (90+ with various conditions) to consider whether they'd statistically be safer with permanent enhanced shielding than with vaccine side effects. The stats aren't really broken down enough by age. Obviously they know that vaccinating 65+ will save countless lives, but there's a huge difference between a 65 - 80 year old (may still be very fit and active), and a 95 year old (HIGHLY likely to be frail).

[bitontheslide]

To not vaccinate a section of society because they are going to die anyway is discrimination. Plenty old folks recover from serious illness and continue to enjoy life, why shouldn't they get the vaccine first if they are considered the most vulnerable.

People who are seriously ill or are on certain medications won't get vaccinated, after that, it's personal choice if they want the jab.

The whole reason for vaccination is to reduce the pressure on the NHS, same as the flu jab. The side effect is that it saves lives too. Maybe thats a bit blunt, but its true. The reason for lockdown now is to stop younger folk spreading it to older generations, whether that be by meeting or living in a multi generational house. Once those older people have been vaccinated, they younger folks can get on with life, so I think its the right approach

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There are actually a few "high profile doctors" who are questioning if enough testing was done with the "very elderly" (90+ with various conditions) to consider whether they'd statistically be safer with permanent enhanced shielding than with vaccine side effects. The stats aren't really broken down enough by age. Obviously they know that vaccinating 65+ will save countless lives, but there's a huge difference between a 65 - 80 year old, and a 95 year old.

Yes. Even moreso when you add in possible comorbid illnesses, with the sheer age.

I don't think permanent enhanced shielding is the answer either tbh. BUT I don't know if my 'solution' would be possible, given the law and such. My mother in law went into a carehome short term in July...and says, he two weeks she was there, there were 3 residents attempting suicide, and near all of them (residents, not the suicidal ones)mentioned they were depressed as **** with not being able to see people. Back then, I decided the 'close them off from the world for their own good' was...cruelty. And since then have thought there HAS to be a way where they could sign some disclaimer, removing wrongdoing from the home they are in, and see their families? I mean, a significant amount of those people who were in with my mother in law, are probably actually dead now, and were never allowed to see their families :S

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

To not vaccinate a section of society because they are going to die anyway is discrimination. Plenty old folks recover from serious illness and continue to enjoy life, why shouldn't they get the vaccine first if they are considered the most vulnerable.

People who are seriously ill or are on certain medications won't get vaccinated, after that, it's personal choice if they want the jab.

The whole reason for vaccination is to reduce the pressure on the NHS, same as the flu jab. The side effect is that it saves lives too. Maybe thats a bit blunt, but its true. The reason for lockdown now is to stop younger folk spreading it to older generations, whether that be by meeting or living in a multi generational house. Once those older people have been vaccinated, they younger folks can get on with life, so I think its the right approach

...seemingly not though?!

I mean, a huge proportion of those people are now vaccinated, yet still theres talk of bloody May? And the goalposts shift yet again to 'all over 18s in the country to be vaccinated'

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

...seemingly not though?!

I mean, a huge proportion of those people are now vaccinated, yet still theres talk of bloody May? And the goalposts shift yet again to 'all over 18s in the country to be vaccinated'

first jab, they need to get 2

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

first jab, they need to get 2

IF it was as you say I would be behind it tbh. But thats what it appeared to be, then shifted to 'all over 18s' which seems, again quite pointless given stats of illness in younger people say...the VAST majority are not at risk. So...lessen the risk of those higher risk, and leave the rest to take chances, would be the ideal for me tbh :S

I am confused about the second jab thing, last I read, it seemed the longer gap between jabs, the more effective (we were amazing, for doing that by mistake..I read!!!)., But now its claimed, 6 weeks is the longest it should be between?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes.

At a certain point though, as I said, surely 'covid lite' is just as dangerous as covid. These are people who can be killed easily with a bit of a bad stomach..

I get why they were done, as the government would look cold as **** to do it my way. And it doesnt sit right to just 'leave them as they might die either way' but..in terms of actually sorting the economy and stuff...and also thinking about how many are getting flu symptoms from the vaccine...seems...almost counterproductive to induce flu symptoms in the very old/vulnerable?! Those symptoms alone could easily kill/hospitalise that group..then we are back to square one/.

Plus the over 70’s have the choice of staying safe at home...whereas the younger ones have to go out in the community to earn a living..


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[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Zizu

the younger ones have to go out in the community to earn a living

Tell that to my slowly-collapsing desk chair, I've been parked on this damn computer all day since last March .

... ... and then I clock off work and stay on it voluntarily playing games or posting on here... so I can't really complain too much I guess.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Plus the over 70’s have the choice of staying safe at home...whereas the younger ones have to go out in the community to earn a living..


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Many over 70s work

I have actually been trialling (in my head, no other way! haha)...doing it by profession,...via work basically. Then moving onto those out of work for whatever reason.

I am sure that would fall foul of some laws though. As does most..

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Tell that to my slowly-collapsing desk chair, I've been parked on this damn computer all day since last March .



... ... and then I clock off work and stay on it voluntarily playing games or posting on here... so I can't really complain too much I guess.

... generally speaking ..


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[Vicky.]

Sorry yeah, generally speaking of course. Feel a bit twatty for the 'over 70s work' when of course, everyone knows that.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Many over 70s work



I have actually been trialling (in my head, no other way! haha)...doing it by profession,...via work basically. Then moving onto those out of work for whatever reason.



I am sure that would fall foul of some laws though. As does most..

Not too many %wise compared to the under 60’s I’d suggest


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[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Not too many %wise compared to the under 60’s I’d suggest


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Yeah I know. sorry was being a pedantic bitch there like, for no reason either as I seem to agree with you on most stuff tbh!

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah I know. sorry was being a pedantic bitch there like, for no reason either as I seem to agree with you on most stuff tbh!

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[Vanessa]

From what I've seen, the vaccine rollout has been very well organized.
I'm so impressed!

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

From what I've seen, the vaccine rollout has been very well organized.

I'm so impressed!

Things MAY get slightly trickier soon though ... due to a combination of vaccine shortages / second doses having to be given / all the damn variants cropping up every week or so ..


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[Lewismacfarlane]

I can't believe I'm getting my vaccine so quickly

[GoldHeart]

Did anyone watch the panorama documentary highlighting all the misinformation and fear mongering , it was a good program calling out all the BS conspiracy claims.


I'm always glad and relieved to hear when people have taken the vaccine , especially the vulnerable people.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Did anyone watch the panorama documentary highlighting all the misinformation and fear mongering , it was a good program calling out all the BS conspiracy claims.





I'm always glad and relieved to hear when people have taken the vaccine , especially the vulnerable people.

I vaguely recall in the first few days of the vaccinations that a couple of people had bad reactions to the jab but 15 million vaccinations later I’ve heard of no other severe reactions?!?

Seems kinda odd ??


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[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I vaguely recall in the first few days of the vaccinations that a couple of people had bad reactions to the jab but 15 million vaccinations later I’ve heard of no other severe reactions?!?

Seems kinda odd ??


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What is a "bad reaction" ? , we all know it has side effects which is bound to happen but usually it goes away shortly .

You've also got to be careful as people exaggerate and spread lies .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

What is a "bad reaction" ? , we all know it has side effects which is bound to happen but usually it goes away shortly .

You've also got to be careful as people exaggerate and spread lies .

I think a handful of people who carry epipens for bad allergies had a reaction, hence why people have to sit for 15 minutes in the waiting area after the Pfizer vac, there is no requirement to do this after the AZ vaccine

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think a handful of people who carry epipens for bad allergies had a reaction, hence why people have to sit for 15 minutes in the waiting area after the Pfizer vac, there is no requirement to do this after the AZ vaccine

Interesting..my husbands cousin has an epipen and says his GP said its likely he will not get either of them, as all are potentially dangerous to him due to his severe allergic response to a few things..

Meanwhile, he wants to have it..I wonder if hes going to be able to sign something saying he understands its a risk, but still wants it. I cant see they would deny it alltogether, but also unsre if this would cover them if the worst did happen..

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Interesting..my husbands cousin has an epipen and says his GP said its likely he will not get either of them, as all are potentially dangerous to him due to his severe allergic response to a few things..

Meanwhile, he wants to have it..I wonder if hes going to be able to sign something saying he understands its a risk, but still wants it. I cant see they would deny it alltogether, but also unsre if this would cover them if the worst did happen..

That is correct the vaccines are not recommended for people who carry epipens

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I vaguely recall in the first few days of the vaccinations that a couple of people had bad reactions to the jab but 15 million vaccinations later I’ve heard of no other severe reactions?!?

Seems kinda odd ??


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They revised the guidance and epipens carriers can’t get any vaccine

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They revised the guidance and epipens carriers can’t get any vaccine

But they should still take it really