[thesheriff443]

I’ve got a lot of time for the female form.

Ask a thousand people to look at a blank piece of paper and say what they can see and each one will see something different.

[LaLaLand]

This is typical Maggi Hambling, she's not one to go the usual route.

I'm a big fan of Hambling and can kind of see her thinking here, but yeah... Not the best of decisions.

[LaLaLand]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Do you know what? I think I get it.
Feminism should be about the power to see beyond the female form. That's what I take from it, covering it up is just playing to the view that women are ornamental and the form an example of the evolution in women's liberation she represents.
This embody feminism and this feminist in particular as unashamedly and unapologetically a woman .

This is a great interpretation - agreed!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LaLaLand

This is a great interpretation - agreed!

Wow thanks, was expecting a chorus of disapproval as per lol

[Ammi]

...I do get that the naked form gives an equality as it were...a male/female levelling that she wanted to give...clothing does create a defining...so I get the thoughts behind that..I just don’t like it aesthetically at all...it doesn’t ‘capture female’ for me in any way that would create a feeling of the power of woman...and also because one of the things that woman has always been greatly judged on is that physical form, rather than her whole self and in a way that man hasn’t....if this is a sculpture that was intended to represent an equality reached/...a ‘levelling’ to male....?...it just hasn’t for me....

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ugh I saw this, how ****ing disrespectful to who she was and what she stood for........and to women in general actually

Agreed Its bloody awful , put it straight into the melting pot !

[Mystic Mock]

Emily Cock.

I'm sorry I couldn't help it, that surname.

Being serious though I don't get why sculptors can't seem to get famous peoples looks correctly. I mean I've still got the image of that Cristiano Ronaldo statue a few years ago running inside my head.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Do you know what? I think I get it.
Feminism should be about the power to see beyond the female form. That's what I take from it, covering it up is just playing to the view that women are ornamental and the form an example of the evolution in women's liberation she represents.
This embody feminism and this feminist in particular as unashamedly and unapologetically a woman .

Totally disagree

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Totally disagree

Ok, like I said wasn't expecting anyone to agree. That's the only way I can see it as depicting someone or something, as a metaphorical representation.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ok, like I said wasn't expecting anyone to agree. That's the only way I can see it as depicting someone or something, as a metaphorical representation.

As a representation of feminism though? It seems to fly in the face of it imo, obviously there's nothing wrong with the female form but a lot of the views of feminists is that women should not be objectified which happens to women far too much already

[Tom4784]

I saw a BBC article that put both arguments forward and I saw things I agreed with on both sides but mainly I just think it's a **** statue that looks unfinished. They should have just gone with a more direct representation of Mary, rather than an artistic interpretation.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

[Ammi]

...I was thinking about this again this morning and thinking how off the mark I feel it is, really...because the vein of it was always going to put the focus onto the nakedness, rather than the achievements of Mary Wollstonecraft...I feel as though a male statue could have had a naked form but still the focus naturally kept on him, on who he was and his great significance etc...that it wouldn’t have detracted...but with a female, somehow it does ...and that’s because ‘physical’ has been a huge part of the judgement of females through time...’oh look at Mary naked, what do we think...’...etc...shouldn’t at all be what any headline or reporting is with it...it should be ‘Mary achieved excellence in her passion for female equality...’....and this art piece is a tribute to that...statues have been such a talking point thing of recent times...should we have them/should we replace some etc...and all because of the layers of historical people, because of their depth and who they are and the paths of their lives ...but the talking point with this and the depth of Mary is that she’s naked and the discussion of why the artist has her naked...surely that’s what makes it an awful depiction as well...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

As a representation of feminism though? It seems to fly in the face of it imo, obviously there's nothing wrong with the female form but a lot of the views of feminists is that women should not be objectified which happens to women far too much already

Where is she being objectified? I know she's naked but it's in no way a sexualised image, for me that flies on the face of feminism if you can never depict a naked female form because it's anticipated it will be criticised, discredited or ogled. Then what's the point?
Where's the strength...the unashamed power... the depth?
Personally I'm sick of these chocolate box representation's , to me they say very little about the style and substance of the subject.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where is she being objectified? I know she's naked but it's in no way a sexualised image, for me that flies on the face of feminism if you can never depict a naked female form because it's anticipated it will be criticised, discredited or ogled. Then what's the point?
Where's the strength...the unashamed power... the depth?
Personally I'm sick of these chocolate box representation's , to me they say very little about the style and substance of the subject.

Agree 100%

[Kazanne]

I have no issues about a statue to this lady by WHY does she have to be fully naked ? it wont be long before it's defaced etc.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

As a representation of feminism though? It seems to fly in the face of it imo, obviously there's nothing wrong with the female form but a lot of the views of feminists is that women should not be objectified which happens to women far too much already

100% agree

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where is she being objectified? I know she's naked but it's in no way a sexualised image, for me that flies on the face of feminism if you can never depict a naked female form because it's anticipated it will be criticised, discredited or ogled. Then what's the point?
Where's the strength...the unashamed power... the depth?
Personally I'm sick of these chocolate box representation's , to me they say very little about the style and substance of the subject.

I've never said you can never depict a naked female, I've just said I didn't think in this case it was the right call, I think it detracts from the woman it's supposed to represent and takes focus off her achievements.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where is she being objectified? I know she's naked but it's in no way a sexualised image, for me that flies on the face of feminism if you can never depict a naked female form because it's anticipated it will be criticised, discredited or ogled. Then what's the point?
Where's the strength...the unashamed power... the depth?
Personally I'm sick of these chocolate box representation's , to me they say very little about the style and substance of the subject.

There she goes again, Ms. Patriarchy telling women that the only way to empower themselves is to cater to the male gaze

[arista]

A Woman has put a T-Shirt over
that Naked lady in the park.

That Lady just said we do not get Karl Marx to get his willy out.


Ch5HD Live AM show.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

A Woman has put a T-Shirt over
that Naked lady in the park.

That Lady just said we do not get Karl Marx to get his willy out.


Ch5HD Live AM show.

Exactly. This is the problem, it's not being prudish about nude statues or artwork or whatever, it's what this one is supposed to represent it cheapens and disrespects Mary Wollstonecraft and what she represented

[Ammi]

...’Today she remains an enduring symbol of the ongoing fight against misogyny and sexual injustice...’....

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Exactly. This is the problem, it's not being prudish about nude statues or artwork or whatever, it's what this one is supposed to represent it cheapens and disrespects Mary Wollstonecraft and what she represented

Exactly, I don't think the woman herself would be very impressed either, besides the nakedness it's a bloody ugly statue. I didn't know either that her daughter was Mary Shelly, could have been nice to depict them together.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Exactly, I don't think the woman herself would be very impressed either, besides the nakedness it's a bloody ugly statue. I didn't know either that her daughter was Mary Shelly, could have been nice to depict them together.

...I think that she died in childbirth with Mary or shortly after, Kaz...