[Niamh.]

This feels a bit like the "outrage" at Adele that time, seems like no Maoris were actually offended by this, just other people getting upset for them :

after Kim and Kourtney's children performed a Māori haka on TikTok.

The Kardashian family has been accused of cultural appropriation yet again.

On Sunday, Kourtney Kardashian's ex-husband Scott Disick shared footage to TikTok of his daughter Penelope performing a Māori war dance alongside Kim Kardashian's children Saint and North, and two other youngsters.

Many New Zealanders characterised the depiction of the ceremonial haka as 'wildly inappropriate', 'disrespectful' and 'insulting'.



The Kardashian children and their friends performed their own rendition of Ka Mate, a Māori haka composed by Te Rauparaha, a war leader of the Ngāti Toa tribe of the North Island of New Zealand.

The All Blacks rugby union team has performed Ka Mate at games for years.

Standing on a staircase, the five youngsters staged the sacred dance and also correctly pronounced the words accompanying the war cry.

Scott, who has 24 million followers on TikTok, shared the clip alongside the caption: 'TikTok ya don't stop. Ain't got nothing on us!'

Some fans were not comfortable with the traditional and culturally significant dance being used for TikTok content.

'Thought 2020 couldn't get any worse? The Kardashians think the haka is a TikTok dance,' one critic tweeted.

'My heritage better not be a damned TikTok dance challenge. I don't care that they've learned the real words rather than making up their own, this is sacred. STOP APPROPRIATING CULTURES,' another raged.

A third wrote: 'Gurl shut up, it's appropriating culture and the Kardashians are infamous for it.'

'Why the ****** are the Kardashian West-Disick kids doing a haka on Scott's story? That feels wildly inappropriate?' another asked.

Several fans couldn't understand why the Kardashians, an American family of Armenian descent, would perform a traditional New Zealand war dance.

'Why did I just see a video of the Kardashian kids doing the haka? What is going on?' one asked.

However, many Kiwis were impressed by the children's attempt at the haka, which seemed to be well-rehearsed.
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[Cherie]

so no one can do an Irish dance either? seen plenty people doing that...not a word of outrage

these people need their devices removed from them so they can take a breath

[arista]

Better Days.

[arista]

[Many New Zealanders characterised the depiction
of the ceremonial haka
as 'wildly inappropriate', 'disrespectful' and 'insulting]


They could say Sorry to NZ.

[smudgie]

What next?
Ridiculous.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so no one can do an Irish dance either? seen plenty people doing that...not a word of outrage

these people need their devices removed from them so they can take a breath

There actually was a story about that last year, do you remember? - there was a black american girl who did a video (possibly tiktok?) of her doing Irish dancing and straight away you had some idiots (not Irish I don't think) going on about cultural appropriation. What annoyed me most about that was people only pointed it out because the girl was black, there are loads of white Americans who Irish dance and there are also black Irish people so in itself pointing out that one girl was pretty racist.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

[Many New Zealanders characterised the depiction
of the ceremonial haka
as 'wildly inappropriate', 'disrespectful' and 'insulting]


They could say Sorry to NZ.

Have they though? Pretty much all the comments I've read from actual Maoris had no issue at all with it

[thesheriff443]

You get it on here a lot, people being more offended than the actual people that might be offended.

Got to be seen to be doing the right thing.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Have they though? Pretty much all the comments I've read from actual Maoris had no issue at all with it

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You get it on here a lot, people being more offended than the actual people that might be offended.

No surprise there. People who whinge about "cultural appropriation" almost always seem to be white people who spend all of their time in front of their computer, getting annoyed on others' behalf, rather than those from the culture being "appropriated".

They're appropriating the offense of others

[Ammi]

...one of my friends has a Maori wedding ring...(...as in its a Maori tattooed ring as opposed to worn ring...)...it was tattooed by a Maori, even though she herself isn’t of Maori culture but many conversations of its cultural meaning took place before the ring was agreed....so I would fairly much agree with this...

'On the one hand, it's a great thing. On the other hand, I would love to have a conversation with them about what the haka means and what motivated them to do it,' Māori Council executive director Matthew Tukaki told Star News.

'It has to be done with true intent. It's not just something that's good for Instagram or social media,' Tukaki added for clarification.

...I think what the children did in their interpretation fine...but it would be nice to think that they know of the meaning of the Haka and appropriate times when it’s done and that it’s not an ‘entertainment’ type dance...

[DouglasS]

I’m not a fan of the kardashians at all - but kids Doing the Hakka is now cultural disrespect? What a load of rubbish.

Once again it is mainly non Maori people offended on their behalf... exactly the same as many other issues. I saw this posted on facebooo and all the New Zealand naive people were saying the opposite saying if anything it is celebrating their culture and bringing joy - and that they were the opposite of offended. But it seemed the people offended were not even from New Zealand..

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by smudgie

What next?

.

For Kim ?

Foot size reduction




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[Marsh.]

God, am I sick of this attention seeking family.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There actually was a story about that last year, do you remember? - there was a black american girl who did a video (possibly tiktok?) of her doing Irish dancing and straight away you had some idiots (not Irish I don't think) going on about cultural appropriation. What annoyed me most about that was people only pointed it out because the girl was black, there are loads of white Americans who Irish dance and there are also black Irish people so in itself pointing out that one girl was pretty racist.

I think I did mention at the time that it would be deemed cultural appropriate in different scenario

[Tom4784]

The Kardashians have made their fortunes off of cultural appropriation, I can't see them stopping it any time soon.

They cancelled their show because it was more profitable to use social media, everything they do on social media can and does line their pockets so to reduce this dance to a tiktok dance for clout is a pretty clear cut case of cultural appropriation.

Adele engaged in the culture of the event she attended in a respectful manner, this is not that, plus it's gross when parents use their kids on social media like this which is another issue entirely.

[Morgan.]

We used to get taught this at school when the World Cup was on, idk how I feel about it tbh

[Jordan.]

the biggest culture vultures going, this is just the latest drop in the ocean for them.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Morgan.

We used to get taught this at school when the World Cup was on, idk how I feel about it tbh

Same :/

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Morgan.

We used to get taught this at school when the World Cup was on, idk how I feel about it tbh

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Same :/

...yeah, we’ve done it in school quite a few times when the World Cup has been on...but as well as performing it...(...which has always been excellent...)...a huge part has been discussing the meaning of it, which the children talk about as well as that being a part of the performance/lesson..was that the same or similar for you both at school...?..

[Captain.Remy]

I've been playing rugby since I was a little boy, and we have all learnt haka moves full knowingly what it was about and where it came from.
It was mostly seen has a respectful hommage than something degrading. We didn't appropriate their culture or didn't act like it was OUR history. I know Kiwis are very welcoming people and appreciated we tried (even though they would eat us up later at it...)
But I guess times have changed and if our friends from NZ feel offended then it's their right.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The Kardashians have made their fortunes off of cultural appropriation, I can't see them stopping it any time soon.

They cancelled their show because it was more profitable to use social media, everything they do on social media can and does line their pockets so to reduce this dance to a tiktok dance for clout is a pretty clear cut case of cultural appropriation.

Adele engaged in the culture of the event she attended in a respectful manner, this is not that, plus it's gross when parents use their kids on social media like this which is another issue entirely.

Pretty much.

They didn’t really cancel their show they just moved it to streaming service... attention seekers

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

I've been playing rugby since I was a little boy, and we have all learnt haka moves full knowingly what it was about and where it came from.
It was mostly seen has a respectful hommage than something degrading. We didn't appropriate their culture or didn't act like it was OUR history. I know Kiwis are very welcoming people and appreciated we tried (even though they would eat us up later at it...)
But I guess times have changed and if our friends from NZ feel offended then it's their right.

If people choose to be offended that's up to them shouldn't stop people from doing a dance.

[Kizzy]

Remember all the hoo ha when the NHS workers were doing Haka as a response to covid?...

But now it's the K Klan so it's alright?...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Remember all the hoo ha when the NHS workers were doing Haka as a response to covid?...

But now it's the K Klan so it's alright?...

It's alright no matter who does it.