[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Not really, anyone with a mortgage has more debt than someone living in social housing, but they obviously have more wealth.

That’s an interesting one ...

Who’s the wealthiest ... a homeless guy with zero debts or the guy with a big house buy mortgaged to the hilt and untold debts ....


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[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

That’s an interesting one ...

Who’s the wealthiest ... a homeless guy with zero debts or the guy with a big house buy mortgaged to the hilt and untold debts ....


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The guy with the house.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Moreso I think people are saying the system perhaps needs some changes, some people will abuse the money and spend it on drugs/alcohol rather than feeding their children/dependents. perhaps those with children’s allowance should receive vouchers to ensure their child does not go hungry as this cannot be spent on other things

Maybe a complete overhaul?

Reduce family allowance so it covers clothes and whatever but then schools provide each child with breakfast , dinner and a meal at the end of the school day ?
The schools have the setup all ready and waiting ..


That way all the kids get three decent meals per day and we may see more pupils attending school.




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[The Slim Reaper]

Just to expand, the homeless guy starts every day in debt just in order to eat, the guy with the big house doesn't.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Alf

They're not picking up any stick, there are Children in need, there is a charity that helps children in need, use it.

I always got the impression that Children in Need helped children ABROAD mainly ??

Is there a record of where all their money goes , I wonder ?


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[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Maybe a complete overhaul?

Reduce family allowance so it covers clothes and whatever but then schools provide each child with breakfast , dinner and a meal at the end of the school day ?
The schools have the setup all ready and waiting ..


That way all the kids get three decent meals per day and we may see more pupils attending school.




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Why should the poorest in society be made even poorer? No one is as maligned as poor people in need of help. We have this purely fictional standard that we can't even give a few extra pennies unless we can take it away somewhere else. Governments give billions to their friends, and no one says anything, but want a kid to get a free meal then we have to make sure they've earned it and can be trusted not to blow it all on scag. It's inhumane.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The guy with the house.

But it’s not his ... it’s owned by the bank ..


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[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

But it’s not his ... it’s owned by the bank ..


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So presumably if he wants to sell it, he won't be allowed?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Why should the poorest in society be made even poorer? No one is as maligned as poor people in need of help. We have this purely fictional standard that we can't even give a few extra pennies unless we can take it away somewhere else. Governments give billions to their friends, and no one says anything, but want a kid to get a free meal then we have to make sure they've earned it and can be trusted not to blow it all on scag. It's inhumane.

I’m not suggesting making people poorer just reduce the allowance ( the part for the kid’s food) and give it to schools who then ENSURE that every child gets three meals a day .. three ‘healthy’ meals as well .


Seems like an improvement if thousands of kids are going hungry every day.


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So presumably if he wants to sell it, he won't be allowed?

If he’s morgaged it to the max and has other debts ( credit cards most likely) then he COULD sell the house but the money would go to the bank not him ..


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[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Obviously not.

But like I keep saying, with charities like children in need, then kids shouldn't need to beg the government for food. You do know that Children in need is sitting on millions of pounds, I've seen them tweet saying that themselves.

I think you'll find it's the other way around.

Government should be feeding the kids. Kids shouldn't have to rely on charity.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’m not suggesting making people poorer just reduce the allowance ( the part for the kid’s food) and give it to schools who then ENSURE that every child gets three meals a day .. three ‘healthy’ meals as well .


Seems like an improvement if thousands of kids are going hungry every day.


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You're taking away money from the very poorest, so how will that not make them poorer? I'm pretty sure that they don't have cash reserves they can dip into if they're a bit short one week. Their only options are debt (which they will struggle to pay back), or go without, which brings us back to why are we making the poorest people poorer?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

If he’s morgaged it to the max and has other debts ( credit cards most likely) then he COULD sell the house but the money would go to the bank not him ..


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That's how loans work until they're paid off. A house is an asset, which is part of building up wealth.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You're taking away money from the very poorest, so how will that not make them poorer? I'm pretty sure that they don't have cash reserves they can dip into if they're a bit short one week. Their only options are debt (which they will struggle to pay back), or go without, which brings us back to why are we making the poorest people poorer?

It’s money to feed their kids but in my suggestion the schools would be doing that .. robbing Peter to pay Paul ..

I said it was a big change ..



Maybe a compromise.. schools offer every child breakfast and lunch ..


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's how loans work until they're paid off. A house is an asset, which is part of building up wealth.

There are many who owe more than the houses are worth though plus they will probably have other loans / debts


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[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It’s money to feed their kids but in my suggestion the schools would be doing that .. robbing Peter to pay Paul ..

I said it was a big change ..



Maybe a compromise.. schools offer every child breakfast and lunch ..


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Yeah, I didn't mean you were being cruel, it's just always an accepted standard for poor people. They always have to prove they've earned something or can be trusted in a way we never ask of the powerful. We have the money, we are just manipulated a a society to believe a) that we don't and b) we should spend it on the things that align with the government.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

There are many who owe more than the houses are worth though plus they will probably have other loans / debts


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I think you have to remember that making debt repayments is still in a different stratosphere to sleeping in a cardboard box.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I always got the impression that Children in Need helped children ABROAD mainly ??

Is there a record of where all their money goes , I wonder ?


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Nah CiN is for kids in the UK, Comic Relief is the abroad one I think. If you really want to know I'm sure it's all googleable.

Originally Posted by Zizu

That’s an interesting one ...

Who’s the wealthiest ... a homeless guy with zero debts or the guy with a big house buy mortgaged to the hilt and untold debts ....


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That's like saying a homeless white man has more privilege than a rich black woman. Obviously the person with the house is wealthier.

[Vicky.]

Its hugely **** that they have to really. We are a rich country in the grand scheme of things, that UK kids are going without food actually breaks my heart. Our local foodbank is desperate for help as soo many families are having to use it recently..

[Ammi]

...I’m not sure that I agree that eating all meals at their schools would be beneficial to a child...family meals together are a very important thing...and very valued at the end of a school/work day by parents and children...

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I have time for people that find themselves in genuine need but there are plenty that use food banks so they can spend their benefits on drink drugs and fags.

They have to have a referral though, from jobcentre, or social or something like that. Its not just a shop they rock up at and get free stuff, thus freeing money for other things.

Also, you can only get a couple of referrals per year apparently.

So the amount of people using foodbanks as free shopping to buy more alcohol and stuff, is minuscule if anything. And they cannot do it repeatedly anyway..

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Yeah, I didn't mean you were being cruel, it's just always an accepted standard for poor people. They always have to prove they've earned something or can be trusted in a way we never ask of the powerful. We have the money, we are just manipulated a a society to believe a) that we don't and b) we should spend it on the things that align with the government.

True enough...


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I think you have to remember that making debt repayments is still in a different stratosphere to sleeping in a cardboard box.

Also very true


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I’m not sure that I agree that eating all meals at their schools would be beneficial to a child...family meals together are a very important thing...and very valued at the end of a school/work day by parents and children...

Oh yea . I wholeheartedly agree but sadly we are seeing so many kids that are just not getting fed enough in the current system


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

They have to have a referral though, from jobcentre, or social or something like that. Its not just a shop they rock up at and get free stuff, thus freeing money for other things.



Also, you can only get a couple of referrals per year apparently.



So the amount of people using foodbanks as free shopping to buy more alcohol and stuff, is minuscule if anything. And they cannot do it repeatedly anyway..

Interesting ... I presumed people just walked in a queued up as and when they pleased ..


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