[arista]

Originally Posted by parmnion

My local council opened up food banks during the pandemic and they have decided to keep them open for another year...this points to another lockdown will be upon us soon.

Yes very possible

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Many due to go France
are angry, the Beta Variant (South Africa)
is high in France thus the Government putting
an Amber+ on it.

If you travel to an amber country surly you have to expect this? They are lucky it’s not gone onto the red list

For us it’s far too dodgy to travel to our place in Spain as Amber can change to red within days and then you have the scramble to get home before you end up paying 1700 each in a hotel, it’s just not worth the risk ...We would only consider going to a green county and even then all the testing puts us off, if you test positive you are stuck out there until you test negative and who knows how long that would take

[Vanessa]

Im going to the seaside now that it's allowed.
Before another lockdowns starts.

[Cherie]

I don’t see us locking down fully again, think this is being pushed so people get vaccinated as vaccination rates have slowed dramatically

[bitontheslide]

everything is open to change very quickly at the moment. Anyone travelling is well aware of this, it's been happening since last year so people complaining about it are just stupid.

I think we will have some form of social distancing back in by law within the next 4-6 weeks and thats going to affect the leisure industries again. It's possible that the infections will burn themselves out particularly if this warm weather continues for a week or two, we will just have to wait and see

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

everything is open to change very quickly at the moment. Anyone travelling is well aware of this, it's been happening since last year so people complaining about it are just stupid.

I think we will have some form of social distancing back in by law within the next 4-6 weeks and thats going to affect the leisure industries again. It's possible that the infections will burn themselves out particularly if this warm weather continues for a week or two, we will just have to wait and see

I’m sick of hearing about angry confused people who don’t appear to be able to risk assess their situation

[Cherie]

We can go to Ireland though

People travelling from Britain to Ireland will no longer need to self-isolate on arrival here from Monday, 19 July if they are fully vaccinated, the Irish Embassy in London has said.

The requirement for them to undergo a PCR test 72 hours before departure will also end.

However, unvaccinated travellers from Britain will still have to produce a negative PCR test on arrival to this country and undergo 14-day home quarantine.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Im going to the seaside now that it's allowed.
Before another lockdowns starts.

Yes Hot in the Sun
use a Good Hat

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If you travel to an amber country surly you have to expect this? They are lucky it’s not gone onto the red list

For us it’s far too dodgy to travel to our place in Spain as Amber can change to red within days and then you have the scramble to get home before you end up paying 1700 each in a hotel, it’s just not worth the risk ...We would only consider going to a green county and even then all the testing puts us off, if you test positive you are stuck out there until you test negative and who knows how long that would take

Yes just a Late night Friday Amber+
change that has upset many due to travel

Meaning 10 days quarantine rules


https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-17/...arantine-rules

[arista]

Israel is a great Example
In June 2021 they let everything go back to normal

Now all must have a Mask on
Restrictions are back
and they are at
our level of Vaccinations.

[arista]

[Israel:

Israel led the world in getting vaccines into people's arms.
Such was the success of its vaccination programme that
Israelis threw off the face coverings and embraced.

But this week Prime Minister Naftali Bennett urged
people to once again wear their masks indoors
and "stop kissing and hugging" - or face another
national lockdown as cases surge.

The police have been instructed to step up
enforcement of the mask rule with high fines
for people who violate it.]

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-15/...k-new-freedoms

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

[Israel:

Israel led the world in getting vaccines into people's arms.
Such was the success of its vaccination programme that
Israelis threw off the face coverings and embraced.

But this week Prime Minister Naftali Bennett urged
people to once again wear their masks indoors
and "stop kissing and hugging" - or face another
national lockdown as cases surge.

The police have been instructed to step up
enforcement of the mask rule with high fines
for people who violate it.]

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-07-15/...k-new-freedoms

What do they know

There are people in here who are apparently far more qualified who reckon everything should go back to normal and things will be fine ... as most of the adults are double jabbed




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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

What do they know

There are people in here who are apparently far more qualified who reckon everything should go back to normal and things will be fine ... as most of the adults are double jabbed




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Who said that...

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Zizu

What do they know

There are people in here who are apparently far more qualified who reckon everything should go back to normal and things will be fine ... as most of the adults are double jabbed




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No

normal life won't return for another 10 to 15 years

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don’t see us locking down fully again, think this is being pushed so people get vaccinated as vaccination rates have slowed dramatically

Yeah vaccinations are at the point now where every adult has been offered a vaccine (weeks ago), they’re slowing down because there isn’t as much demand, people who don’t want to get one won’t. So people that keep pushing “until the whole population are vaccinated” are dumb because it’s never going to happen (and people shouldn’t be forced vaccines). In their eyes there should be a permenant lockdown therefore

[bitontheslide]

we have to get life back to normal as much as we can. It's right to test the boundaries to see what we can do without putting lives at undue risk

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

we have to get life back to normal as much as we can. It's right to test the boundaries to see what we can do without putting lives at undue risk

But we shouldn't be opening up while cases are rising so dramatically.
I think they should have waited.

[Nicky91]

Netherlands todays numbers

284 total hospitalisations, increase of 19 compared to yesterday

207 total on nursing wards, biggest number since June 27th when there were for the last time more than 200 patients

77 total ICU/ventilator patients, increase of 2 compared to yesterday

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-say-SAGE.html


[Coronavirus cases will stay high for months until
autumn after passing 100,000 in two weeks' time
and a new lockdown will be needed by September,
experts have warned.
It comes just two days before England is set to ditch
most restrictions including social distancing and
legal limits of gatherings
on Monday - dubbed Freedom Day.
Professor John Edmunds, of the London School of Hygiene
and Tropical Medicine and
the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE),
said that with the lifting of lockdown restrictions
in England on Monday the
disease would continue to spread.]

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

we have to get life back to normal as much as we can. It's right to test the boundaries to see what we can do without putting lives at undue risk

I agree but the sensible thing to do would be to do it in increments with several weeks between each - which would have a better chance of identifying what actually is the "kicker" for reducing cases. Then if we do need to take action to reduce cases again, they can selectively tighten up on those things (whether that's clubs, large events, mixing in homes, whatever) without having to go "oh well we don't actually know which aspects work and which don't so we need to close everything down!".

I don't think there'll (hopefully ever) be a need to be closing down things like "non essential retail" again for example, or stopping people going to parks and beaches.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-say-SAGE.html


[Coronavirus cases will stay high for months until
autumn after passing 100,000 in two weeks' time
and a new lockdown will be needed by September,
experts have warned.
It comes just two days before England is set to ditch
most restrictions including social distancing and
legal limits of gatherings
on Monday - dubbed Freedom Day.
Professor John Edmunds, of the London School of Hygiene
and Tropical Medicine and
the Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE),
said that with the lifting of lockdown restrictions
in England on Monday the
disease would continue to spread.]

Picture bang on topic for my post above: Why are they posting pictures of the beaches?? It's so unlikely that anyone would catch Covid on a beach, even a packed one, even unvaxxed!

Where are the pictures of packed bars and restaurants? That's where transmission risk is high.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Picture bang on topic for my post above: Why are they posting pictures of the beaches?? It's so unlikely that anyone would catch Covid on a beach, even a packed one, even unvaxxed!

Where are the pictures of packed bars and restaurants? That's where transmission risk is high.

umm no


within 1.5 or 2 metres you can catch covid anywhere

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

umm no


within 1.5 or 2 metres you can catch covid anywhere

Despite the perspective illusions these photographers have chosen to use to sell a good picture to the press - it is highly unlikely that people are sitting within 2m of a group of strangers on a beach, and airborne particles disperse to harmless levels in seconds in an outdoor environment.

You're more at risk 20m from someone in an air-conditioned room than you are 1m from them outdoors, because the air circulates.

[Toy Soldier]

Daily cases have been dropping quite consistently in Scotland since the beginning of July.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Picture bang on topic for my post above: Why are they posting pictures of the beaches?? It's so unlikely that anyone would catch Covid on a beach, even a packed one, even unvaxxed!

Where are the pictures of packed bars and restaurants? That's where transmission risk is high.

Just showing the level of people
Yes TS
Bars and Inside café's could be the real problem of transmission.