[Alf]

Kids have been fine for 2 years, what's so special about now?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Children have been being successfully vaccinated for all manner of diseases though .. why is this any different

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

because it provides zero medical benefit to the child, but does have a risk of vaccine side effects. That's a huge difference compared to other vaccines that they get.

This. It's a risk/benefit ratio, and that's been sort of forgotten because of heavy anti-anti-vax campaigning. I was talking about this pre-covid. There's basically been concentrated efforts to insist that "vaccines are 100% safe, vaccines are risk free, vaccine injury does not exist" - which is a flat-out lie. They are extremely rare and standard childhood vaccinations are very well tested, but they are not risk free, vaccine injury occurs regularly. So how do we justify vaccination and why is it a good idea? Because we know as statistical fact that the risks associated with measles are MUCH higher than the risk of the measles vaccine. And there are obviously even more extreme examples than that (e.g. TB). Though there are some already-dubious examples already in the standard schedule these days - such as chicken pox vaccine.

The huge moral question about the Covid vaccine for under 15's is that there is no evidence at all that it offers a favourable benefit/risk ratio. It's being done for "the good of the community" rather than the benefit of the individual child, and to top that off, there isn't even any evidence that it'll be of benefit to the community.

It's quite a scary thing to be rolling the dice on, tbqfh.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Alf

Kids have been fine for 2 years, what's so special about now?

The spreading of the disease..


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[Alf]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The spreading of the disease..


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Certification Of Vaccination Identification launched 2019

How would you put that into an acronym?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The spreading of the disease..


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the vaccine doesn't stop the spread though, so that is an incorrect assertion

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The spreading of the disease..

Yes, over 38,000 got it yesterday

[arista]

Live both News channels

Booster Jab Briefing with Van Tam
9 Downing St.

6 Months after the 2nd dose
Over 50's to get a 3rd jab



Dr. Jill Raine again
and
Prof. Wei Shen Lim (of the JCVI)

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

Certification Of Vaccination Identification launched 2019

How would you put that into an acronym?

COVILT

[Zizu]

Mmm interesting. . .
I’ve heard that we will never offered a flu jab ( in the other arm ) at the same time .

I’ve never had the flu or a flu jab - don’t know what to do this year though .

Any thoughts ?


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[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Mmm interesting. . .
I’ve heard that we will never offered a flu jab ( in the other arm ) at the same time .

I’ve never had the flu or a flu jab - don’t know what to do this year though .

Any thoughts ?

Tell them just the Covid Vaccine
not the Flu one.

[arista]

Shortly Sajid is Live in Parliament
Health Secretary update.

[bitontheslide]

i've never taken up the offer of the flu jab previously, but i will this time given i will be at a vaccination centre anyway for my covid booster.

[arista]

The Health Secretary
is now Live in Parliament

On Both News Channels

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i've never taken up the offer of the flu jab previously, but i will this time given i will be at a vaccination centre anyway for my covid booster.

Same here...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

COVILT

But you agree, that's what COVID-19 stands for, right?

[Alf]

You'd then probably need an event to implement that certificate. So how fortunate that the Corona Virus came along.

[Vanessa]

I don't want the flu jab.
We're still wearing masks at work, so I don't think we need it this year.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I don't want the flu jab.
We're still wearing masks at work, so I don't think we need it this year.

Yes that's fair

[arista]

Its now Live Early
at 3:30PM with Johnson PM

[Nicky91]

the only jab i ever had was back when i was like 3 or 4, so way long time ago


now it is more vitamins for me, 3 pills of vitamin A, 5 pills of vitamin C, and 1 pill of vitamin D each day (the vitamin D though we only began with last year because we had read extra vitamin D is good for you in times like these with covid)


always have had good hygiene myself, my parents, we also have anti-bacterial wipes to clean our groceries too, that is how far we go basically to protect ourselves from any bacteria, virusses

and we never open the door not even for delivery guys for packages, we say it out of window to put it down in front of our door

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Alf

But you agree, that's what COVID-19 stands for, right?

It supposedly stands for Coronavirus Disease 2019. Though I always thought that was a odd/dumb acronym.

[Alf]

That woman to Trudeau, though, welp!


Do you believe we'll return to life as we knew it to be just two years ago? I for one would like to find out if we are.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It supposedly stands for Coronavirus Disease 2019. Though I always thought that was a odd/dumb acronym.

The one I suggested sounds more plausible, would you agree? Especially with all this vaccination ID talk.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

That woman to Trudeau, though, welp!


Do you believe we'll return to life as we knew it to be just two years ago? I for one would like to find out if we are.

Honestly that’s kinda creepy

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Honestly that’s kinda creepy

I think a reasonable question to ask would be, are we returning to life as we knew it? Don't you think?

Next time the PM or Witty are answering questions, that would be a reasonable question to ask, I'd say.