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I think the OP is slightly misleading; this figure doesn't represent the full length of the pandemic, it is the number of deaths per million population in the last 7 days only... thus, places that are currently in a "dip" in the infection cycle will be low on the list, those currently "peaking" will be high, and the list order will change constantly over time.

As different countries are in different phases at different times... to be honest it's a bit of a meaningless stat. You can only really compare two countries if you compare the numbers for both at peak, which will not be in the same snapshot of time.
Was coming in to say this, we're currently at the very peak of what's been a pretty horrendous spike in infections so it's no surprise really

I highly doubt it will still be the case in a months time when lockdown will have brought rates down quite a bit
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Was coming in to say this, we're currently at the very peak of what's been a pretty horrendous spike in infections so it's no surprise really

I highly doubt it will still be the case in a months time when lockdown will have brought rates down quite a bit
5th worst death toll in the world, but whatever makes you feel better about trying to downplay this absolute **** show I guess matt
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Charming. There's lot of metrics you could point to to show how badly the pandemic has hit the UK, just saying that this isn't one of them
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OMG i didnt realised that is how it works!
I was always confused about the 28 day thing.
Of course we have the highest in the world then!
China only recorded a death if it happen on a full moon it would seem.
I honestly thought it was conspiracy nonsense not that long ago. But it does seem to be true.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-december-2020
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/deta...eaName=England

Still counting the 28 days, but now count 60 days also. The 60 days thing, quite obviously numbers are up.
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It's Monday, Sunday/Monday rates have always been lower.
That's a Tuesday when that happens
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Our way of counting is bloody ridiculous tbh. I thought it was crappy when it was 28 days after a positive covid test, regardless of actual death. And I recently found out that they switched this to anyone who has a positive test in the previous 60 days! Which will bloody obviously make the numbers shoot up?! Like, if you did this with other illnesses, you could make the likes of norovirus seem deadly (not saying covid is not an issue or anything though, obviously I know its very serious for some people), if we were recording deaths of any kind, 2 months after the infection.

Surely there are better way to do it..just seems so weird and has never really made sense to me at 28 days, let alone 60

Is it right that some countries don't add in carehomes and such?

Regardless though, every time there is a decision to be made, it appears to be the wrong one (the xmas thing was ridiculous, days after saying Starmer was 'trying to steal xmas' ). I am not surprised our deaths are quite high.

Ontop of this, the whole eat out to help out thing..was stupid. I took advantage of it mind don't get me wrong, but to encourage mixing like that, only to whinge that people who did what they were told/paid to do were spreading the virus..which was entirely unpredictable and shocked people to their very core.
I believe we should be counting all deaths cause these people may have died from a different illness whilst having covid, but if hey didnt have covid then they would maybe have had better care.

I also think the poor people who die because they couldn't get treatment because of full beds or health risks should also be added. As should the suicides brought on by isolation and a whole plethora of other reasons.
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I believe we should be counting all deaths cause these people may have died from a different illness whilst having covid, but if hey didnt have covid then they would maybe have had better care.

I also think the poor people who die because they couldn't get treatment because of full beds or health risks should also be added. As should the suicides brought on by isolation and a whole plethora of other reasons.
Yeah records like that would be useful. Feels awful to talk about people dying in that way like.
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Absolutely embarrassing, same for us here in Portugal, we were doing amazingly well, slowing the curve and then the breaks between restrictions just made things go mad again.
A lot of people have to work though to keep the economy going, ‘breaks from restrictions’ were in reality people returning to work to prevent future poverty and financial distress among millions
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Also U.K. are over counting our deaths by just including anyone with covid in their system within a month of their time of death, many of these will have been asymptotic and have died entirely of something else, many would have died anyway of other illnesses and they just happened to have covid. Most countries aren’t including these as true cases and so the data is not a true comparison between countries

It’s like saying China has the one of the lowest death rates of covid in the world, they’re just choosing not to record their deaths properly...

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Charming. There's lot of metrics you could point to to show how badly the pandemic has hit the UK, just saying that this isn't one of them
Totally agree.
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Whether we're first or fifth is irrelevant. The point is that the government are failing.

Crying about the economy is pointless, we're gonna suffer more the longer this is dragged out with half arsed measures by the government. Bleating about people needing to go to work and coming out of lockdown at this point will just ensure another one in a few weeks/months time.
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If the title post was data used as part of a scientific journal/ assignment or data was presented in its fashion this way it’d get an F. Full of misleading information, incorrect title, redundant data being used as a comparison between countries. Definitely Daily Mail kind of reporting. As a scientist and published author it can be frustrating seeing posts/articles like this full of scaremongering, exaggeration and misinformation

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That's a Tuesday when that happens
no, Tuesday and Wednesday have always been the highest days when weekend numbers catch up. The numbers collated the previous day are reported, thus Sunday/Monday reports are Saturday/Sunday numbers, and are lower because hospital admin departments typically work Monday to Friday.
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If the title post was data used as part of a scientific journal/ assignment or data was presented in its fashion this way it’d get an F. Full of misleading information, incorrect title, redundant data being used as a comparison between countries. Definitely Daily Mail kind of reporting. As a scientist and published author it can be frustrating seeing posts/articles like this full of scaremongering, exaggeration and misinformation
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Sounds like downplaying to me, you might find 5th worst in the world acceptable, but I do not.
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What do other countries do?
The WHO recommendation is to report on death certification, which England will continue to do through the ONS. For daily reported death figures, there is no international consensus on methods.
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no, Tuesday and Wednesday have always been the highest days when weekend numbers catch up. The numbers collated the previous day are reported, thus Sunday/Monday reports are Saturday/Sunday numbers, and are lower because hospital admin departments typically work Monday to Friday.
I always had that down as a tuesday..
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...even though these figures aren’t overall and given at a time when we’re peaking, it’s still horrendous...we’re an island so being more decisive and ‘closing down’ was the key, while Boris dithered../...and decisions made for the economy...as awful as it is that livelihoods have been and will be lost because of this world catastrophe, there is nothing to be had or lost if there isn’t life as the first thing...

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health is more important than economy

we can deal with economic crisis later on once pandemic is over
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That's horrible news, although it's not a shock to me sadly.

I understand that Boris has to answer to people within his party so it's not entirely his fault, but the way that him and his party have handled this Pandemic is a disgrace, they prioritised Brexit over the wellbeing of their people.

I thought that they were a disgusting party under Cameron, but this is a new low for the Conservatives.

The only thing that's genuinely surprised me from that chart is that the USA isn't second.
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I think the OP is slightly misleading; this figure doesn't represent the full length of the pandemic, it is the number of deaths per million population in the last 7 days only... thus, places that are currently in a "dip" in the infection cycle will be low on the list, those currently "peaking" will be high, and the list order will change constantly over time.

As different countries are in different phases at different times... to be honest it's a bit of a meaningless stat. You can only really compare two countries if you compare the numbers for both at peak, which will not be in the same snapshot of time.
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That's horrible news, although it's not a shock to me sadly.

I understand that Boris has to answer to people within his party so it's not entirely his fault, but the way that him and his party have handled this Pandemic is a disgrace, they prioritised Brexit over the wellbeing of their people.

I thought that they were a disgusting party under Cameron, but this is a new low for the Conservatives.

The only thing that's genuinely surprised me from that chart is that the USA isn't second.
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Not really because as Dezzy's already said on the thread, first or fifth is an atrocious showing for the UK, especially considering the four countries above us have way bigger populations than us so we may as well be number one on the overall death list.

I'm sorry but either way Toy Soldier's argument doesn't really hold up in this scenario.
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Italy is doing well at the moment.
I'm confident I can go on holiday this year.
But I will definitely have the vaccine.
Things will improve here, it will just take time.
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