[bitontheslide]

Trump already pardoned people who were in jail or facing jail who didn't spill the beans on him. They knew they would be pardoned if they kept quiet. As abuse of power goes, it's right up there with the best of them

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think he might do, Donald Jnr wants that as well, doesn’t he...?...and I’m not lion...

If the guy commits animal cruelty then I'd personally keep him locked up for life.

What Trump will do is more than likely the total opposite.

[Mystic Mock]

**** I accidentally voted for the bottom option when I meant to vote for the second option.

[Vicky.]

Is it correct that being pardoned also means they cannot be put back in jail for the crime too? Like, this would not be something easily reversible like the cancellations of various laws..

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Is it correct that being pardoned also means they cannot be put back in jail for the crime too? Like, this would not be something easily reversible like the cancellations of various laws..

i think once, the incoming president negated the pardons of the previous president, but the only reason he was able to do that was because all the relevant paperwork hadn't finished being submitted. So, that's why Trump is doing it the day before he leaves, as that gives time for the paperwork to be finalised

[Tom4784]

He shouldn't, but I wouldn't count it out. Joe Exotic attempted to murder someone and his abuses against animals are numerous, nevermind the fact that he is a ****ty human being that groomed two men into marrying him, getting them addicted to drugs, and driving one of them to suicide.

Joe Exotic is exactly where he belongs.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He shouldn't, but I wouldn't count it out. Joe Exotic attempted to murder someone and his abuses against animals are numerous, nevermind the fact that he is a ****ty human being that abused two men into marrying him, getting them addicted to drugs, and driving one of them to suicide.

Joe Exotic is exactly where he belongs.

I definitely agree he groomed those guys and was a ****ty person but I don't think Travis committed suicide? Not on purpose anyway, looked like that was accidental

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

It's a fundamental problem with democracy. At some point it relies on "good faith" and Trump is one who most certainly doesn't abide by anything good faith and never has.

Just to complete the picture a bit, both Clinton and Bush pardoned people serving their own interests rather than those of the country. Nothing like the nonsense pardons from Trump, but they set the precedent. In a similar way, at Trumps certification, several Dems objected to the vote of states at that time, with no basis for doing so. So while Trump has taken things to a new level of absurdity, the dems actually did these things first

The levels involved here are completely different, and I'm not defending Clinton. For starters, just dangling pardons so folks wouldn't work with/give testimony to Mueller, versus Clinton appearing at his own impeachment. There is no precedent for how Trump has used pardons, taking either bush or Clinton into consideration.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I definitely agree he groomed those guys and was a ****ty person but I don't think Travis committed suicide? Not on purpose anyway, looked like that was accidental

Oh, I thought it was suicide, he shot himself in the head, no? It's been a while since I watched it so I might be forgetting the details.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Joe Exotic attempted to murder someone and his abuses against animals are numerous, nevermind the fact that he is a ****ty human being that abused two men into marrying him, getting them addicted to drugs, and driving one of them to suicide.

It made great telly though

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh, I thought it was suicide, he shot himself in the head, no? It's been a while since I watched it so I might be forgetting the details.

He did shoot himself in the head, by accident... he had taken the clip out of the gun and thought that the type of gun he was waving about didn't hold a round in the chambre... but it does... and to demonstrate that it was not loaded... he shot himself in the face with it . I swear it was only sheer luck of the draw for the other guy that he didn't point it at him and click the trigger instead

[thesheriff443]

Couldn’t care less

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He did shoot himself in the head, by accident... he had taken the clip out of the gun and thought that the type of gun he was waving about didn't hold a round in the chambre... but it does... and to demonstrate that it was not loaded... he shot himself in the face with it . I swear it was only sheer luck of the draw for the other guy that he didn't point it at him and click the trigger instead

Yeah, he did have it pointed at the other guy first but he told him not to point it him and Travis said - look it's not loaded (or something similar) pointed it at himself and pulled the trigger

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He did shoot himself in the head, by accident... he had taken the clip out of the gun and thought that the type of gun he was waving about didn't hold a round in the chambre... but it does... and to demonstrate that it was not loaded... he shot himself in the face with it . I swear it was only sheer luck of the draw for the other guy that he didn't point it at him and click the trigger instead

i will never forget the look on the other guys face and his reactions to it happening

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He did shoot himself in the head, by accident... he had taken the clip out of the gun and thought that the type of gun he was waving about didn't hold a round in the chambre... but it does... and to demonstrate that it was not loaded... he shot himself in the face with it . I swear it was only sheer luck of the draw for the other guy that he didn't point it at him and click the trigger instead

Oh, I remember the awful clip they showed of it, but can't remember the details. Even so, I'd still blame Joe Exotic for drugging him up to the point that he'd do something like that.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i will never forget the look on the other guys face and his reactions to it happening

Yeah, it's what I remember clearly, probably why I thought it was suicide, couldn't remember what led up to it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh, I remember the awful clip they showed of it, but can't remember the details. Even so, I'd still blame Joe Exotic for drugging him up to the point that he'd do something like that.

Oh yeah, you could definitely say that. Do you remember his funeral as well, he was so disrespectful the way he spoke about him, with his mother sitting there as well.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Oh, I remember the awful clip they showed of it, but can't remember the details. Even so, I'd still blame Joe Exotic for drugging him up to the point that he'd do something like that.

Yeah, he definitely did groom young guys with drugs & money... the other husband had one of the most compelling tales in the show I think. I think he's living a pretty normal life now, off drugs, remarried and teeth fixed. Unrecognizable from the poor soul in the documentary tbh. I think he appeared on the "Zoom Update" thing at the end of the show

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh yeah, you could definitely say that. Do you remember his funeral as well, he was so disrespectful the way he spoke about him, with his mother sitting there as well.

I recall, he's such an odious human being, I don't know how people championed him so much when the series was huge. He was evil.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah, he definitely did groom young guys with drugs & money... the other husband had one of the most compelling tales in the show I think. I think he's living a pretty normal life now, off drugs, remarried and teeth fixed. Unrecognizable from the poor soul in the documentary tbh. I think he appeared on the "Zoom Update" thing at the end of the show

Yeah, I remember being happy that he bounced back from it all, I'm glad he was able to recover from Exotic's abuse.

[arista]

[Tiger King star Joe Exotic's camp has celebration planned
amid hopes President Donald Trump will pardon him
from 22-year sentence in murder-for-hire conviction]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ardon-him.html

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I would like to see him pardoned....

Really cos i heard he shot 5 perfectly healthy tigers . I'd shoot the bastard myself nevermind a pardon. I hope he rots in jail

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Really cos i heard he shot 5 perfectly healthy tigers . I'd shoot the bastard myself nevermind a pardon. I hope he rots in jail

Yep, to make way for cubs, that's where the money is letting people pet them, you can't let people pet adult tigers and they cost a lot to feed, scumbag

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

[Tiger King star Joe Exotic's camp has celebration planned
amid hopes President Donald Trump will pardon him
from 22-year sentence in murder-for-hire conviction]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ardon-him.html

[Amy Jade]

I hope not. Besides the fact he tried to have Carole killed and clearly preyed upon young men his treatment of animals was absolutely disgraceful if you look into his reputation.

I don't understand anyone who celebrates him actually.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Really cos i heard he shot 5 perfectly healthy tigers . I'd shoot the bastard myself nevermind a pardon. I hope he rots in jail

He did...and you are right. Imagine the outrage though...