[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I think they are doing a magnificent job....its so easy to sit back and critisise. No other Politician would have wanted to be in Boris's shoes leading his country through a pandemic...so all they do it fault him at any opportunity. Of course mistakes have been made..and sadly many lives lost...but we through money at creating a vaccine and when we got one we stuck our order in and now we are rolling it out with efficiency....

You SHOULD sit back and criticise the government, not downplay it's incompetence and sneer at those who take issue with the government's lack of action when it counted.

The government works for it's people, the worship people have for Boris is nothing short of unnerving. He wasn't forced into that job, in fact he and other Tories manipulated events to get him that position. He played the game. He's not some hero, he's a leader that has constantly mishandled one of the greatest crises in recent memory. When the government do something wrong, hold them accountable, don't baby them because when they **** up, people die.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I think they are doing a magnificent job....its so easy to sit back and critisise. No other Politician would have wanted to be in Boris's shoes leading his country through a pandemic...so all they do it fault him at any opportunity. Of course mistakes have been made..and sadly many lives lost...but we through money at creating a vaccine and when we got one we stuck our order in and now we are rolling it out with efficiency....

The job of a PM isn’t something you apply for on indeed luv. He wanted it, he got it. So he should be responsible for everything in regards to public well being.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The right of human populations, throughout the earth, to ... ... ... buy 'n' sell ****.

Isn't that just capitalism dogma in a nutshell. Elevation of what started as a way to barter goods and services to get stuff done a little more easily, into some sort of philosophically intrinsic aspect of human existence. It's just so ... ... empty.

Yup. Folks were already dying at this point, and Boris saw it as an opportunity to profit from.

[bitontheslide]

as we progress down the age groups there will be less and less people who wish to get the vaccine, so by the summer, most people in the uk who want the jab will have had their 2 shots.

I think we should quickly be able to donate excess vaccine to countries, getting everyone ready for next winter

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I think they are doing a magnificent job....its so easy to sit back and critisise. No other Politician would have wanted to be in Boris's shoes leading his country through a pandemic...so all they do it fault him at any opportunity. Of course mistakes have been made..and sadly many lives lost...but we through money at creating a vaccine and when we got one we stuck our order in and now we are rolling it out with efficiency....

Can always rely on you rusti to talk sense

[hijaxers]

Yes Grim is getting his on Saturday morn , had a text yesterday .

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Samm

The job of a PM isn’t something you apply for on indeed luv. He wanted it, he got it. So he should be responsible for everything in regards to public well being.

I didn’t say it was....and I didn’t say he shouldn’t ....luv



Giving credit where credit is due....

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I didn’t say it was....and I didn’t say he shouldn’t ....luv



Giving credit where credit is due....

If you truly believe Boris has made a triumph of this then you have to live with that I suppose.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

Yes Grim is getting his on Saturday morn , had a text yesterday .

Great stuff Grimmy

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Samm

The job of a PM isn’t something you apply for on indeed luv. He wanted it, he got it. So he should be responsible for everything in regards to public well being.

"Of course mistakes have been made..and sadly many lives lost... BUT.."

It seems you can't rightfully criticise when he makes the ultimate mistake of loss of life in a way that was easily avoidable had he listened to the advice he was given.

Nobody asked him to see into the future, they asked him to do his job and he failed.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Can always rely on you rusti to talk sense

I second that...

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

If you truly believe Boris has made a triumph of this then you have to live with that I suppose.

We can all look back and do things better....but sometimes we don’t get a second chance. Of course he has made mistakes...haven’t we all?

Thanks to Boris and his government, we have a vaccine because of the funding...we secured enough vaccine and we have reached our target of vaccinating so many and will continue to do so....

Yes...I can live quite happily with that.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

We can all look back and do things better....but sometimes we don’t get a second chance. Of course he has made mistakes...haven’t we all?

Thanks to Boris and his government, we have a vaccine because of the funding...we secured enough vaccine and we have reached our target of vaccinating so many and will continue to do so....

Yes...I can live quite happily with that.

It’s just an awful shame that over 100,000 people can’t say the same. But yay! Well done Boris, you did ONE good thing right.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

We can all look back and do things better....but sometimes we don’t get a second chance. Of course he has made mistakes...haven’t we all?

Ignoring expert advice and walking straight into a pandemic he KNEW was coming and led to over 100,000 deaths is a mistake only seen in hindsight and a "haven't we all?"? No. You're rewriting history there.

[DouglasS]

There were always going to be casualties people are acting like zero people should have died, it’s a pandemic... Boris can’t save everyone, but with this vaccine rollout he will bec saving thousands upon thousands of lives, which we will see from March onwards

[Samm]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

We can all look back and do things better....but sometimes we don’t get a second chance. Of course he has made mistakes...haven’t we all?

Thanks to Boris and his government, we have a vaccine because of the funding...we secured enough vaccine and we have reached our target of vaccinating so many and will continue to do so....

Yes...I can live quite happily with that.

awh yeah just an odd 100,000 dead no matter, today I made a mistake in forgetting to charge my phone I guess it’s the same

[Nicky91]

10 million vaccinations is better than our 200k vaccinated currently in netherlands

so UK government does phenomenally well compared to our flop Rutte and flop health minister De Jonge

[Cherie]

for the sake of mental health, people really need to take any positives and hold then rather than finding the negative in everything, just my humble opinion of course.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Samm

awh yeah just an odd 100,000 dead no matter, today I made a mistake in forgetting to charge my phone I guess it’s the same

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

for the sake of mental health, people really need to take any positives and hold then rather than finding the negative in everything, just my humble opinion of course.

well said Cherie, i fully agree

i admit these recent times have been quite draining on me mentally

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

for the sake of mental health, people really need to take any positives and hold then rather than finding the negative in everything, just my humble opinion of course.

This. Of course any government (especially this one) can do better, but constantly moaning about how the UK's decent vaccination progress still isn't good enough is like yelling at a child for only getting a silver medal on sports day.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

10 million vaccinations is better than our 200k vaccinated currently in netherlands

so UK government does phenomenally well compared to our flop Rutte and flop health minister De Jonge

Have they paused vaccination Nicky as it seems to have been at that level for some days now?

[DouglasS]

It’s nice to see everyone in unison and agreement that the government is doing a fantastic job with the vaccine rollout

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Ignoring expert advice and walking straight into a pandemic he KNEW was coming and led to over 100,000 deaths is a mistake only seen in hindsight and a "haven't we all?"? No. You're rewriting history there.

This, really sums it up.

I do applaud the vaccine rollout certainly.
It is something that had to be got a right as is possible, no errors.

Injecting people with something totally new had to be done in as near all the right ways and BY the right sources too.

However, we've now lost more lives in the last 3 to 4 months, than were even lost from near a year ago until October.

So even had the first lockdown and losses been down to any hindsight, which I stress it WAS NOT, we had all the forewarnings from January 2020 as to what was happening in Italy and progressing through Europe too.
So it's an insult to those who've lost their lives unnecessarily to call it hindsight..
Totally insulting to them and their bereaved loved ones left too.

How then however to those claiming hindsight, when following the first lockdown, then only this government easing said lockdown, with all sorts of reckless opening up of things.
How can hindsight be the defence at all.

It can't and in my view, it's wrong to claim it can be.
Even worse is that people won't admit the wrongs and incompetence carried out by someone who has dismissed at times the vital scientific and health advice.
Has disregarded the representation of near all other parties in parliament too elected via their voters.

Who has set out to do things his way and his closest advisors way.
Which has been shown to demonstrate only a recklessly dangerous incompetence, that indeed has led to thousands of unnecessarily lost lives of loved ones.

That is at this PM's and his appointed Ministers doors.
As others said, he sought this job of PM, he got it.
No one forces him now to or forced him to do it.

My main concern is his dangerous incompetence gets defended.
In any other job, anyone presiding over the chaos and mess of things done badly and wrongly, plus lives lost too over a near year.
They'd be out and rapidly.
However only his Party can get him out.

At the very time the UK needed a fully genuinely compassionate, competent unifier to be leading us.
We got an arrogant, deluded, self styled buffoon playing a game of being at Prime Minister.
Sadly resulting in playing reckless games with his citizens lives too.

Which is the real, still as yet too, ongoing tragedy of this pandemic under this PM and his Ministers.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Have they paused vaccination Nicky as it seems to have been at that level for some days now?

umm idk, more like ordering some more doses (from Pfizer, and also now from Janssen-Johnson&Johnson)

and there was a recent data leak here at our GGD or national public health institute