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17-06-2021, 06:53 AM | #51 | |||
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Zumi Zimi Zami
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poor girl
this sort of trouble wouldn't have been if she wanted asylum in my nation
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17-06-2021, 06:57 AM | #52 | ||
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They’re not, and his point was that back at the end of WW2 we understood that the teenagers in the Hitler youth were just dumb kids who had been brainwashed by adults and we allowed them the chance at rehabilitation and re-education. Nowadays the attitude is “boooo 16 is old enough to take responsibility hang em all”. But let’s call it like it is here - she’d get more sympathy if she looked like Hitler youth. We all know that. |
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17-06-2021, 06:59 AM | #53 | ||
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17-06-2021, 10:30 AM | #54 | |||
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POW! BLAM!
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As shown by all the sympathy Dylan Roof got?
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17-06-2021, 10:34 AM | #55 | |||
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Samantha Lewthwaite didn't get a sympathetic hearing from the public and she's white. I can't imagine anyone wanting her back here.
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17-06-2021, 01:24 PM | #56 | ||
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I don't know whether rehabilitation is possible, but either way, she should be brought back to face trial for her crimes. All we've done in stripping her citizenship is make her another country's problem and you would never hear the end of it if another country did that to us. |
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18-06-2021, 12:00 PM | #57 | |||
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Quand il pleut, il pleut
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‘Overwhelming evidence’ Shamima Begum was victim of trafficking, court hears…
There is “overwhelming evidence” that Shamima Begum was a victim of trafficking when she left the UK, a court has heard. Ms Begum was 15 when she and two other east London schoolgirls travelled to Syria to join the so-called Islamic State group in February 2015. Her British citizenship was revoked on national security grounds shortly after she was found, nine months pregnant, in a Syrian refugee camp in February 2019. Ms Begum, now 21, is challenging the Home Office’s decision to remove her British citizenship and has asked a specialist tribunal to consider whether she was a victim of trafficking when she travelled to Syria. Her lawyers told the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) at a hearing on Friday that the Home Office had a legal duty to investigate whether Ms Begum was a victim of trafficking when her citizenship was revoked. Samantha Knights QC said that “the counter-terrorism unit had suspicions of coercion and control” at the time Ms Begum left the UK, which she argued “gives rise to the need to investigate the issue of trafficking”. …full article… https://uk.yahoo.com/news/overwhelmi...104028416.html |
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18-06-2021, 12:05 PM | #58 | |||
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the problem that she has is that she did that TV interview where she showed zero remorse and clearly held the same views years later to the ones that led to her leaving the UK. That can't be taken back
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18-06-2021, 12:13 PM | #59 | |||
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Oh no, I'm English
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She's still a relative kid though, bots. Regardless of anything else, she is still our responsibility.
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18-06-2021, 12:18 PM | #60 | |||
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She was allowed to be groomed, brainwashed and radicalised on British soil, she was a child that was taken advantage of by extremists, whatever decision she made due to the brainwashing, she is our responsibility
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18-06-2021, 12:19 PM | #61 | |||
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i don't want her back here, i freely admit that, but i do think its pretty dodgy for our government to say, not our problem, she can't come back. Given international law and the precedence it sets, it will come back to bite us at some point
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18-06-2021, 12:58 PM | #62 | |||
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Oh no, I'm English
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I pretty much agree with you. It's about doing the right thing, even when it's not ideal
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18-06-2021, 01:01 PM | #63 | ||
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If she has genuinely completely changed her beliefs, which she claims is the case and appears to be the case, and can probably be verified rather easily by experts (she's a 21 year old who has had no formal education since 15 - not Natasha Romanoff) there's no rational reason to not allow her back into the country, and even to consider her worth as a possible asset against Islamic extremist trafficking and grooming.
I would feel differently if she had been an active combatant in ISIS but she was groomed as a "wife" (sex slave and baby producing machine) and kept in a camp. I fully understand that the general public doesn't understand how brainwashing and grooming works, why teenagers (children) are especially vulnerable to it, and that even people who become genuinely dangerous because of it are still themselves victims in another sense... ...but that's why the general public's opinion shouldn't come into these decisions. But it does, time and time again, not because of safety, not because of science, but because of political populism. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 18-06-2021 at 01:03 PM. |
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18-06-2021, 01:31 PM | #64 | ||
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Regardless of anything else, we can't strip someone of their citizenship, especially when their only other tie to a country is through a husband to which she was trafficked into a marriage in which she was basically a sex slave. Let her come back, have her face a trial, have her serve out her sentence and try to deprogram any radicalism. Not taking responsibility is a childish response. |
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18-06-2021, 02:32 PM | #65 | ||
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15-09-2021, 06:09 AM | #66 | |||
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She is going Live on GMBHD itv
at around 7:15AM From a Syria Live link. |
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15-09-2021, 06:20 AM | #67 | |||
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Live now on GMBHD itv
Now saying she was groomed and did not want to hurt anyone? Saying she made a mistake. Now saying she did know about the Manchester Bombing when she spoke about it, she said at that time she spoke before she had no internet. She is now in a better Syria Camp. Last edited by arista; 15-09-2021 at 06:30 AM. |
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15-09-2021, 06:35 AM | #68 | |||
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Last edited by arista; 15-09-2021 at 06:36 AM. |
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15-09-2021, 06:41 AM | #69 | |||
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She should have been her parents responsibility...who knows, maybe she was!
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15-09-2021, 06:43 AM | #70 | |||
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15-09-2021, 06:43 AM | #71 | |||
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That's a bit cruel and sadistic is it not? |
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15-09-2021, 06:47 AM | #72 | |||
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She says she would go to a UK Prison
if a UK Judge tells her. |
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15-09-2021, 06:58 AM | #73 | |||
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GMBHD itv have kept the Live link to Syria on
taking 2 commercial breaks |
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15-09-2021, 07:18 AM | #74 | |||
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All hail the Moyesiah
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Bizarre interview. Still seems totally unrepentant tbh - said at one point she did 'nothing wrong' - and almost incapable of any emotion at all apart from self pity
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15-09-2021, 07:30 AM | #75 | |||
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self-oscillating
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i don't know what to make of her which is unusual as I usually get a feel for the person, but I think she is emotionally flat
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