[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah for me also...so much stuff is aimed at stirring emotion but it’s actually absent of emotion and quite ‘generic’...hearing people's personal thoughts, experiences, stories etc is something I would always prefer and think many would respond to...I prefer your own words and thoughts on the topic, Kaz...

Well in my own words Ammi, these sort of things DO happen ,they might be rare, I could have posted videos but that would be even worse, but even ONE cruelty act is not acceptable and I do think humans are the most dangerous species on earth, I don't think it was preachy , people will and do make up their own minds , I just found it highlighted the cruelty involved and sometimes highlighting it can get things done and change some things.

[Samm]

are you leaving fifth harmony lovely

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

But that meat /joint could be days old and even intentionally infested beforehand..


I could set up a similar example with a big bowl of salad / vegetables...


Trust nothing ....


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yes they look like maggots

[Cherie]

I take my hat off to anyone who had completely cut meat out of their diet, we don't eat alot of meat these days but I couldn't cut it out completely

bacon butties

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well in my own words Ammi, these sort of things DO happen ,they might be rare, I could have posted videos but that would be even worse, but even ONE cruelty act is not acceptable and I do think humans are the most dangerous species on earth, I don't think it was preachy , people will and do make up their own minds , I just found it highlighted the cruelty involved and sometimes highlighting it can get things done and change some things.

...yeah for sure, I don’t think that many people on the planet would disagree with that, Kaz...so many resources being depleted for us now and for future generations...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I take my hat off to anyone who had completely cut meat out of their diet, we don't eat alot of meat these days but I couldn't cut it out completely

bacon butties

They used to be my favourites Cherie never thought I could give it up ,it's the smell more than anything, but I still have an veggie version.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

They used to be my favourites Cherie never thought I could give it up ,it's the smell more than anything, but I still have an veggie version.

what do you buy, will give it a try

[rusticgal]

Good for you Kaz. We eat a lot of chicken and fish but we like our Sunday Roasts, saturday morning bacon sarnies and steaks on the BBQ in the summer...

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I'm vegan because I refuse to turn a blind eye... My question is why do you?

Because it's delicious

In all seriousness though; being OK with eating meat and advocating cruel farming practices don't go hand in hand. Of course farming should be ethical and anyone engaging in cruelty as described in the OP should face prosecution.

If there's any argument for not eating meant that carries some weight with me, it's the environmental impact of large-scale meat farming... it isn't really sustainable as global population continues to rise.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

That's why I added I don't think anyone here is preaching. As adults, we all know there are some barbaric practices happening in the world, to both humans and animals and I feel that posts like this are quite inflammatory. The points in the post are the extremes of animal cruelty hence why I said its meant to be guilt inducing rather than thought provoking. If it spoke about the normal meal producing process, it would spark more conversation rather than the extremes of animal heads being used as a football which isn't the norm

Yeah ... I recall the spate of horrendous accounts /videos that leaked out a famous meat producer years ago ... we’ve never bought anything with their his/name on it since ... something like Harry ‘something or other’ ??


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[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Cherie

what do you buy, will give it a try

There's a few different bacon substitutes,I like to try them all the one I like best is called "This isn't", I love their stuff but also like the Quorn bacon rashers,
https://this.co/products/rashers/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

There's a few different bacon substitutes,I like to try them all the one I like best is called "This isn't", I love their stuff but also like the Quorn bacon rashers,
https://this.co/products/rashers/

Will give it a try thank you!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Yeah ... I recall the spate of horrendous accounts /videos that leaked out a famous meat producer years ago ... we’ve never bought anything with their his/name on it since ... something like Harry ‘something or other’ ??


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Didn't Bernard Mathews have a bad rap too Zizu ?

[Jessica.]

I eat 100% vegan but threads like this aren't what will get through to people How we eat is our own choice and you have to be in the right state of mind to do things like cutting out meat, dairy, etc.. For me, the pandemic was the perfect time to go from veggie to vegan but for others it would be the absolute worst. I don't eat animals for ethical and environmental reasons, not because of lists of possible scenarios.

[AnnieK]

My best friend recently went from a meat every day person to fully vegan after a binge watch of Richard Attenborough and researching the damage we are doing to the planet partly through eating meat. She has switched out every thing in her life to plant based....all her cosmetics, cleaning products, food etc. I take my hat off to her. She doesn't like the meat substitute stuff either and so she has found it tough going but she's determined.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Didn't Bernard Mathews have a bad rap too Zizu ?

That was it !!

I just couldn’t think of the name ... Harry Ramsden came to mind but they’re a really well respected Fish and Chips place


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[Zizu]

I like the idea of a bloke who was a Pesca -pescatarian and would only eat fish that had eaten fish


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

My best friend recently went from a meat every day person to fully vegan after a binge watch of Richard Attenborough and researching the damage we are doing to the planet partly through eating meat. She has switched out every thing in her life to plant based....all her cosmetics, cleaning products, food etc. I take my hat off to her. She doesn't like the meat substitute stuff either and so she has found it tough going but she's determined.

But on the other hand I have watched a programme outlining the huge devastation caused by growing Soya

I think the fast fashion industry is on a par or is far more harmful to the environment

[Captain.Remy]

I found a middle ground with being flexitarian. I love meat, always needed it for rugby practice and also because I like the taste of it.
But I got older and realized that once I gave up intense trainings and not playing as much as I used to, I didn't need to eat this much meat.

So flexitarian it is, which consists of occasional inclusion of meat.
I'm actually a good cook, I LOVE cooking and removing a lot of meat from my daily intake made me more creative and found new recipes. However French cuisine is harder without meat
I don't eat meat daily, but I enjoy a nice horse steak or duck breast or whatever I like sometimes. Probably once or twice a week I would say. And I only buy it from my local butcher that I know supplies himself from a "cruelty free" farm where the animals are fed with good and organic food.

Everything else in our house is organic anyway: vegetables, fruits, cakes, cleaning supplies etc Doing our best

And I think it's brave to completely go the vegan or vegetarian route. As long as it makes you feel good about yourself then it's great! Congrats!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

I found a middle ground with being flexitarian. I love meat, always needed it for rugby practice and also because I like the taste of it.
But I got older and realized that once I gave up intense trainings and not playing as much as I used to, I didn't need to eat this much meat.

So flexitarian it is, which consists of occasional inclusion of meat.
I'm actually a good cook, I LOVE cooking and removing a lot of meat from my daily intake made me more creative and found new recipes. However French cuisine is harder without meat
I don't eat meat daily, but I enjoy a nice horse steak or duck breast or whatever I like sometimes. Probably once or twice a week I would say. And I only buy it from my local butcher that I know supplies himself from a "cruelty free" farm where the animals are fed with good and organic food.

Everything else in our house is organic anyway: vegetables, fruits, cakes, cleaning supplies etc Doing our best

And I think it's brave to cut meat from your meals. As long as it makes you feel good about yourself then it's great! Congrats!

...yeah, I’ve always found that in some countries it can be more difficult to not eat meat...although I do eat white fish, which expands it out...I spend lots of time eating French Fries, cake and Ice Cream when I’m overseas and lots of fruit...I agree with you completely about vegetarian cooking enabling more creativity... and I find chopping lots of vegetable with their jewel-like colours, one of the most uplifting things ever.....yes very sad but that’s me...

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, I’ve always found that in some countries it can be more difficult to not eat meat...although I do eat white fish, which expands it out...I spend lots of time eating French Fries, cake and Ice Cream when I’m overseas and lots of fruit...I agree with you completely about vegetarian cooking enabling more creativity... and I find chopping lots of vegetable with their jewel-like colours, one of the most uplifting things ever.....yes very sad but that’s me...

I love cooking with vegetables and experimenting ,have found some really good recipes and you know more or less what's in food cooked from scratch.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, I’ve always found that in some countries it can be more difficult to not eat meat...although I do eat white fish, which expands it out...I spend lots of time eating French Fries, cake and Ice Cream when I’m overseas and lots of fruit...I agree with you completely about vegetarian cooking enabling more creativity... and I find chopping lots of vegetable with their jewel-like colours, one of the most uplifting things ever.....yes very sad but that’s me...

Welcome to the weirdos club then
And what is nicer is knowing that I won't post it on Instagram, and just enjoy it with my husband, family or friends. Makes it even better to present a nice appealing plate!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Bloody hell Alf,see you don't know what is in meat either.

To be absolutely frank, you can say that about any food you buy pre-packed or pre-prepared in some way.

Unless you grow everything in your own garden and make everything yourself from scratch.

[parmnion]

Its dead when you eat it.

But doesn't taste the same whilst watching how it died as you eat it.

[Marsh.]

Also, when people say "they're vegan" a lot of them still seem to think it relates entirely to being meat-free.

Do you still wear clothes that exploit humans and animals? Make up? What about other types of foods like honey?