[LeatherTrumpet]

all the newspapers (bar the National and Herald) will be fuming

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Who did she pay off?

The guy who did the independent review and found that she hadn't breached ministerial code was appointed to the role by Salmond .

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

all the newspapers (bar the National and Herald) will be fuming

I noticed that arista had forgotten to post his big front pages in here probably just an oversight so I;ve copied once across from the Covid thread for him.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The guy who did the independent review and found that she hadn't breached ministerial code was appointed to the role by Salmond .

dat TS been drinking some Q tea?

[arista]

There is a Vote
this afternoon on her

BBC reports she will Win.


Then they go off for a holiday

[arista]

"I noticed that arista had forgotten to post his big front pages in here"


I was away in a meeting.
Thank you TS for posting today's Front Page.

[arista]

Sturgeon evidence to Salmond committee 'misleading'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-56480968

[joeysteele]

What the committee of MSPs have concluded is likely all they'd concluded even before they started the proceedings and talking to anyone
Especially the Con element of the committee and particularly Labour's Jackie Baillie who in my view couldn't be impartial if she even bothered to just try to be.

Yes there'll be a wasted vote from the Con contingent.
Which Nicola Sturgeon will win thanks also to the sensible Greens up there.

Labour wants to watch itself aligning itself to Douglas Ross and co of the Cons.

Ed Miliband did that in the independence referendum in 2014, then saw Labour near wiped out in Scotland.

I'll take the independent inquiry findings everytime over the sour grapes MSP one.
Especially with Jackie Baillie on it.

[LeatherTrumpet]

The Scottish government introduced a harassment procedure rather too hastily which was inadequately specified. What the government needs to do now is come up with a new procedure that almost entirely has to be independent. So if any civil servant in the future makes a complaint about any minister, however powerful, it is adjudicated not within the civil service but outside. That is obviously a crucial lesson. If we focus on that, we will indeed have found a way of improving the way we are governed in future.

Sir John Curtice
Professor of Politics at Strathclyde University

[bitontheslide]

it always will be about what the people decide at an election. Investigations are never impartial

[Oliver_W]

Politicians lie all the time, what was it that made this ("alleged") instance worse?

[arista]

Left Winger on LBC
now debating the SNP.

He just said if Scotland goes Independent
England will remain Conservative Forever

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

Left Winger on LBC
now debating the SNP.

He just said if Scotland goes Independent
England will remain Conservative Forever

Its win:win

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Left Winger on LBC
now debating the SNP.

He just said if Scotland goes Independent
England will remain Conservative Forever

Not really the case.
Labour would have won just about all the elections it did, except for perhaps 1974.
Without Scotland.

There's no way Labour wouldn't have won in 1945, 1966, 1997, 2001 and 2005 even if there'd been no Scottish Westminster seats.

There's only one Labour seat in Scotland at present anyway.

HOWEVER, this is why , Labour needs to ensure it now considers and goes for PR for elections now.
I'm part of the support to push for PR in elections.

Of course that would mean it unlikely any party would get an overall majority at Westminster, with or without Scotland.
It certainly means with barely 43% of the votes cast, the Cons will never likely again be able to take unfettered power as they did last tine.

So the more hard-line and heartless elements of the Con Party would be then eradicated.
If PR was introduced..
I hope those in Labour like myself will push for Labour to decide to run the road of PR.
It's way overdue and I believe would see Labour take the next election if they did adopt it.

Every other party wants it.
Only one doesn't and who would be panicking were Labour to go for it at last.
That is ONLY the Con party.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

dat TS been drinking some Q tea?

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Politicians lie all the time, what was it that made this ("alleged") instance worse?

It wasn't a Tory.

Originally Posted by arista

Left Winger on LBC
now debating the SNP.

He just said if Scotland goes Independent
England will remain Conservative Forever

It will anyway because Labour and SNP are resistant to going into coalition, which is the only realistic chance of forming a Westminster govt. for the foreseeable future.

[LeatherTrumpet]

to lighten the mood, who remembers this documentary about wee Nic?

Youtube video

[joeysteele]

Nicola Sturgeon comfortably wins the no confidence vote.
65 supported her, 31 against.

Nice one

[Oliver_W]

I don't care either way about her, but I love me a bit of political upheaval, so it would have been more interesting if she'd have lost it

[joeysteele]

In my view she's the most formidable leader anywhere in the UK for any Party.

A great asset to politics.

I'm glad she's seen off this nonsense.
Now she can concentrate more on all her real aims and policies.

I'm pleased Salmond, the hypocritical Cons, and particularly Labour's Jackie Baillie came out of this looking really pathetic.
With Nicola Sturgeon, I think possibly strengthened from the INDEPENDENT inquiry's conclusions.
REALLY good to see.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah i was about to highlight the hypocrisy with the other parties, Nicola means business and is clearly a force to be reckoned with.

[Ammi]

"If you think you can bully me out of office, you are mistaken and you misjudge me.

"If you want to remove me as first minister, do it in an election."

[Toy Soldier]

The real kicker here is, the mistakes she DID make were made because she initially felt loyalty to her old mentor (Salmond) who turned out to be a grubby pawing ******* ... and then he's tried to use the whole thing to bring her down in the hope of further clearing his own name . A truly hideous man. The MRA's jumping on the bandwagon and the unionists on both sides of the border keen to bend the narrative in their favour, whilst I won't say they're just as responsible as Salmond, are also a ****heap.

[Ammi]

...tbh, I don’t know that much about Nicola and I’ve been fairly much ‘on the fence’ with her...not having too much of an opinion...?...but I’m really starting to like her a lot, she’s so stood her ground and it really does feel like all guns were aimed at her possibly because of her continued absolute determination for another Independence referendum...and the thought that, Salmond is the one, as you say, TS...who is really of such shabby character...

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The real kicker here is, the mistakes she DID make were made because she initially felt loyalty to her old mentor (Salmond) who turned out to be a grubby pawing ******* ... and then he's tried to use the whole thing to bring her down in the hope of further clearing his own name . A truly hideous man. The MRA's jumping on the bandwagon and the unionists on both sides of the border keen to bend the narrative in their favour, whilst I won't say they're just as responsible as Salmond, are also a ****heap.

the narrative has been bent so much by labour and cons up here that its almost a complete circle

which is odd

[Cherie]

LT and TS bonding over their infactuation with wee Nicki