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Don't Stop till you get enough 0 0%
Rock with you 0 0%
Wanna be startin' somethin' 0 0%
Beat it 1 5.88%
Billie Jean 3 17.65%
The way you make me feel 4 23.53%
Man in the mirror 3 17.65%
Smooth criminal 0 0%
Remember the time 1 5.88%
Black or White 0 0%
Other 5 29.41%
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Old 23-04-2021, 10:31 AM   #26
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You cannot upgrade an audio file arista, they make these CD's from the master studio audio. Once it's compressed the data is gone, you can't get it back, so unless you have the master audio downloaded to your computer, you're not getting better sound.

And if you DO have the master audio downloaded to your computer - it sounds exactly the same being played from the file source as it does burned to CD.

24Bit upgrade
is something that Sony added to their CD recorders
I also use a Teac CD Recorder

I am getting better sound.


Its not a Download
On the Fly live from a Source


I can also Record from a DVD & BluRay disc's
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Old 23-04-2021, 10:46 AM   #27
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Old 23-04-2021, 10:56 AM   #28
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24Bit upgrade
is something that Sony added to their CD recorders
I also use a Teac CD Recorder

I am getting better sound.


Its not a Download
On the Fly live from a Source


I can also Record from a DVD
to add extra tracks to CD
using the same Left and Right
input.
This isn't how audio works and I'm not talking to you about it any more . If you're having fun carry on, I guess y'ain't hurtin' no'body.
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Old 23-04-2021, 11:04 AM   #29
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if the original audio source is 16 bit, converting to 24 bit would simply increase the noise floor. You can down convert 24 to 16 bit, but you cannot get higher quality by up converting from a lower sampled source. Its the equivalent of zooming in on a digital picture. You can make it bigger but it looks ****
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Old 23-04-2021, 11:11 AM   #30
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OK I lied and have brushed up;

Lossless compression of digital audio has been a thing for a while, and a lot of YouTube videos use FLAC encoded PCM files. You can also download totally uncompressed PCM files in WAV format (large file size) - up to 32 bit natively. What you are essentially doing with your cables and a CD burner, is splitting the file into standard stereo and then upscaling it back onto a CD at max 24 bit. I'm sorry arista but it can only possibly sound like trash. Maybe you need new speakers/headphones.

Either way, you can play 32bit lossless FLAC files directly from a computer, and you can probably even stream them from a decent phone (e.g. to a car bluetooth) that way ... no physical disk required. And if you're going to burn a 24bit CD you want to do it by getting a 24bit uncompressed PCM wav file and burning it using a CD burner on your PC - not on a hifi. It will burn at native 24bit. No need for upsampling.

I just want to help arista I can't bear to think about these lossless hi-def files being screeched through a soundcard, coax cable, hifi and then into a burner. Ripped to shreds .
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if the original audio source is 16 bit, converting to 24 bit would simply increase the noise floor. You can down convert 24 to 16 bit, but you cannot get higher quality by up converting from a lower sampled source. Its the equivalent of zooming in on a digital picture. You can make it bigger but it looks ****
I think arista is confused between the better sound being due to the discs themselves, when it's actually that a lot of artists/record companies are releasing full remasters of their original material from the original studio audio tracks which is where the extra fidelity is coming from; stuff that was originally lost when those tracks were mastered for release. As you say once it's lost it's gone ... the data no longer exists, it's like DVD upscaling, you can smooth out the rough edges but it's never going to be a sharp image. Upscaled old movies look fuzzy. But you also get releases of old movies that are completely remastered from the original physical film reels and those can be true HD (and it's quite fascinating to see old 80's movies looking like they could have been filmed yesterday...)
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Old 23-04-2021, 11:33 AM   #32
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OK I lied and have brushed up;

Lossless compression of digital audio has been a thing for a while, and a lot of YouTube videos use FLAC encoded PCM files. You can also download totally uncompressed PCM files in WAV format (large file size) - up to 32 bit natively. What you are essentially doing with your cables and a CD burner, is splitting the file into standard stereo and then upscaling it back onto a CD at max 24 bit. I'm sorry arista but it can only possibly sound like trash. Maybe you need new speakers/headphones.

Either way, you can play 32bit lossless FLAC files directly from a computer, and you can probably even stream them from a decent phone (e.g. to a car bluetooth) that way ... no physical disk required. And if you're going to burn a 24bit CD you want to do it by getting a 24bit uncompressed PCM wav file and burning it using a CD burner on your PC - not on a hifi. It will burn at native 24bit. No need for upsampling.

I just want to help arista I can't bear to think about these lossless hi-def files being screeched through a soundcard, coax cable, hifi and then into a burner. Ripped to shreds .
I have other Sources and DAT Recorder
which gives my 6 Hours of artist via Long Play 180mins tape

You do not need you to advise me.


I have bought DSD CD's
and found the LP is missing sounds


DSD Downloads are Great but Over Priced.


SHM CD's from Japan have DSD
and are above 24bit



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Old 23-04-2021, 11:38 AM   #33
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Old 23-04-2021, 01:13 PM   #34
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So many great ones. But the way you make me feel I think
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no MJ song what i find great, just heavily overrated and most of which due to papa Joe's too much promoting (even at his funeral which i found ******* rude him promoting some of that posthumous work there)


if there is a Jackson i like, Jermaine Jackson got some nice songs, especially that one with Pia Zadora, huge huge hit that was too
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no MJ song what i find great, just heavily overrated and most of which due to papa Joe's too much promoting (even at his funeral which i found ******* rude him promoting some of that posthumous work there)


if there is a Jackson i like, Jermaine Jackson got some nice songs, especially that one with Pia Zadora, huge huge hit that was too
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How can you not have Thriller in the poll?

Anyway, either Beat It, Smooth Criminal, Dirty Diana, Bad or Billie Jean. He's got so many amazing hits.
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I love most of them as I'm a big MJ fan but think my fave is Earth Song and Man in the Mirror
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Anyway, either Beat It, Smooth Criminal, Dirty Diana, Bad or Billie Jean. He's got so many amazing hits.
I planned too, but I forgot to put it in.
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I planned too, but I forgot to put it in.
The video was good, the song on it's own isn't great
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So even a music thread gets certain things dragged in again, I doubt Elvis or Bowie would get the same treatment.

Anyway I liked more than one MJ song so I can't pick a favourite.
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TWYMMF is my favourite from that list, although Leave Me Alone is one of my personal faves
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How can I pick just one of those gems? I go against every one cuz I think Off the Wall is his best album.

I voted for other because both Off the wall and Human Nature arent on the list.
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