[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Holyrood now has a pro-independence majority.

Unlike the voters.

[bitontheslide]

they can demand a referendum all they like, there is no evidence that there is strong support for it in Scotland

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Unlike the voters.

we just had an election with a high turn out and the people of Scotland have voted in a pro-independence majority of MSP's to represent them in our parliament - a larger majority than before

that is a fact

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they can demand a referendum all they like, there is no evidence that there is strong support for it in Scotland

I mean there is definitely strong support - the 45% that voted for it last time would constitute "strong support" - there is however no evidence that there is majority support but... well... that's the point of holding a referendum isn't it.

Honestly if I had to guess I'd say it'll still be 45% or above, but I don't think it's at over 50% yet.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they can demand a referendum all they like, there is no evidence that there is strong support for it in Scotland

we just had an election with a high turn out and the people of Scotland have voted in a pro-independence majority of MSP's to represent them in our parliament - a larger majority than before


You dont have to be sherlock holmes to see something in that

[Toy Soldier]

One thing I've never figured out is why Orkney and Shetlands consistently go for Lib Dem . My guess is that they're pro-Union (like Aberdeen, for oil reasons?) but not big enough ****s to vote Tory?

[joeysteele]

This is the point though.

If the Scots support Parties wanting another referendum.
Then no democratically elected force or individual should deny that referendum being held.
That is dictatorship.

By the same token then what was in the Con manifesto may not be morally or legally carried out either.

Anyhow, Nicola Sturgeon is the longest serving leader in power in any Nation of the UK.
She's just won a strong new term, the 4th for the SNP.

I don't think she needs any lectures from Johnson & his henchmen/ women on democracy or what she's been elected to see through.

For me, it's a pity she's not running the whole of the UK.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

One thing I've never figured out is why Orkney and Shetlands consistently go for Lib Dem . My guess is that they're pro-Union (like Aberdeen, for oil reasons?) but not big enough ****s to vote Tory?

Well whatever it is when we get independence we should invade and burn their huts and boats

that will learn them

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

we just had an election with a high turn out and the people of Scotland have voted in a pro-independence majority of MSP's to represent them in our parliament - a larger majority than before


You dont have to be sherlock holmes to see something in that

For starters, not everyone that votes for snp wants independence and secondly, there were more voters for unionist parties than there were for independence parties, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it sherlock

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

For starters, not everyone that votes for snp wants independence and secondly, there were more voters for unionist parties than there were for independence parties, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it sherlock

then no one has anything to fear from a wee referendum to see

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

For starters, not everyone that votes for snp wants independence and secondly, there were more voters for unionist parties than there were for independence parties, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it sherlock

So when the Cons get voted in with say something like planning NHS reforms should it be taken that not all Con voters supported it, so it shouldn't be allowed to be done.

This isn't a vote for actual independence now, it's to the right to hold a referendum to again put the arguments for or against it.
After a democratically held election too.

A Con MP said on TV yesterday, it was 5 years since the last independence one.
They don't even know when the last one was held.
This year will mark actually 7 years since the last one with massive constitutional change occurring throughout the UK done since it too.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well whatever it is when we get independence we should invade and burn their huts and boats

that will learn them

[James]

Are they really going to break up the country, and turn the UK into a foreign country to Scotland on a basically 50-50 vote?

[LeatherTrumpet]

Both the SNP and Green manifesto stated they would seek a ref in the next term so..

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

One thing I've never figured out is why Orkney and Shetlands consistently go for Lib Dem . My guess is that they're pro-Union (like Aberdeen, for oil reasons?) but not big enough ****s to vote Tory?

I think Orkney and Shetland has a slightly separate identity that sets it apart from the rest of Scotland.

Looking at the history of it there is a big Viking influence.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by James

I think Orkney and Shetland has a slightly separate identity that sets it apart from the rest of Scotland.

Looking at the history of it there is a big Viking influence.

i worked as a student in shetland an age ago, and it seemed they had more in common with scandinavians than the uk. Wasn't there a vote on shetland for independence from scotland a few years ago?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by James

Are they really going to break up the country, and turn the UK into a foreign country to Scotland on a basically 50-50 vote?

It was good enough for Brexit .

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i worked as a student in shetland an age ago, and it seemed they had more in common with scandinavians than the uk. Wasn't there a vote on shetland for independence from scotland a few years ago?

Yes but they managed a staggering 8% for indy . I think they see themselves as a bit of a separate entity to either Scotland or England, but part of the British Isles nonetheless. Shetland anyway. The younger folks I've met from Orkney tend to quite like a regular jaunt to Glasgow.

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It was good enough for Brexit .

I think independence would be way more traumatic than Brexit. The EU is a collection of countries working together, and not a nation state with a national identity.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by James

I think independence would be way more traumatic than Brexit. The EU is a collection of countries working together, and not a nation state with a national identity.

DO you realise the trauma we all felt when showbiz was shoehorned into SD without so much as poll?

[Tom4784]

Democracy is democracy, you can't have too many votes, the people should always have their say. If scottish people vote to leave, let them, if they decide not to again and want another vote in a few years time? Let them. Democracy is still democracy.

[arista]

Marr BBC1HD
Told Nicola
if she loses her Court Case
it's Game Over.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Marr BBC1HD
Told Nicola
if she loses her Court Case
it's Game Over.

He was utterly ignorant as usual.
He'd never question Johnson the way he does her.
Awful.

[arista]

17:56

Sturgeon tells Boris Johnson Indyref2 is a 'matter of when – not if'

[UserSince2005]

Yes we need scotland out! now!