[parmnion]

Live..


Talking ****e.

[parmnion]

Mr ross talking sense now...

[parmnion]

What was she slavering on about saying the Scottish voters sent out a clear msg that they want independence because they voted snp last time round..

Her coalition government with the greens....surely there was more reason than independence for voting them both in.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

What was she slavering on about saying the Scottish voters sent out a clear msg that they want independence because they voted snp last time round..

Her coalition government with the greens....surely there was more reason than independence for voting them both in.

Interestingly though, the energy crisis is now one of the most compelling arguments for independence. QUite blatantly the world of fossil fuels is falling apart at the seams. Scotland is already basically 100% energy independent with renewables and with extra to spare (i.e. sell). The UK as a whole will most likely NEVER reach that goal and will happily siphon off Scotland's renewable resources and keep Scotland as dependent on Gas & Oil as the rest of the UK.

The global energy issues are not going away... but they can go away completely for Scotland because we have abundant renewable energy sournces for a small population. Indy could literally shelter us from upcoming economic chaos.

It's pretty telling that there was a video of some Tory going around - a supposedly anti-independence video - in which he was saying that it would be "silly" for Scotland to separate from the UK because... ... "Scotland has more renewable resources than they need and England needs to use those resources". That was his anti-Indy argument! That we have an abundance of riches per capita and England wants a share of it! .

Truth is yes, they do need it, and if Scotland goes Indy, when it comes to it... the energy companies in England will buy it. Rather than just being able to take it.

It's a flat-out fact that if Scotland had been independent before oil drilling started, we'd be one of the richest per capita countries in the world today. And we wouldn't have half the social issues we have thanks to Thatcher's 80's. Is it too late to avoid damage? Until recently I thought maybe, but there IS NO bigger issue now than energy resources. None. By a long, long way.

[James]

When a ruling party - like the SNP - just wants to campaign constantly and not govern it is not a good thing.

That's what they want to do - be in a permanent campaign.

[parmnion]

Thatchers 80s ended 32 years ago...that's 4 of sturgeons generations by my calculations...its an easy out to use...far to easy, and continually blaming thatchers 80s over the years has only caused these social issues to sink as far as they have sunk today.

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

When a ruling party - like the SNP - just wants to campaign constantly and not govern it is not a good thing.

That's what they want to do - be in a permanent campaign.

Yes now the Official date
Thursday 19 October 2023.

The Fight starts from today
She will make it part of the General Election.
Big Gamble.

Johnson was asked today
said No.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Thatchers 80s ended 32 years ago...that's 4 of sturgeons generations by my calculations...its an easy out to use...far to easy, and continually blaming thatchers 80s over the years has only caused these social issues to sink as far as they have sunk today.

Thatcher and Reagan's push for a flip to a neoliberal capitalist economy started a chain reaction that has lead us to where we are today; on the verge of a complete collapse of the global financial system. Yeah it was 32 years ago but that was just the start. We're reaping it right now.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Thatcher and Reagan's push for a flip to a neoliberal capitalist economy started a chain reaction that has lead us to where we are today; on the verge of a complete collapse of the global financial system. Yeah it was 32 years ago but that was just the start. We're reaping it right now.

Can we concentrate on the social issues that you were arguing about, like drug deaths, **** hospitals, rats in the streets, etc.

[bitontheslide]

i wish Scotland every success when the russians invade

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Can we concentrate on the social issues that you were arguing about, like drug deaths, **** hospitals, rats in the streets, etc.

Yes Scotland's heroin disaster can be directly traced back to the families worst affected by Thatcher's economic reforms in the 80's, much as with the ex-industrial cities in the US that fell into ruin/drugs/crime for the same reasons. A shift over to "Big City" / financial market economics (that turned out to be a big ol ponzy scheme that's now starting to fall apart).

As for hospitals, as awful as they admittedly are, they're still better than most NHS England hospitals, and half of the services in NHS England hospitals aren't even run by NHS England any more ... but a scattershot of private entities funded by the NHS via outsourcing.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i wish Scotland every success when the russians invade

If Russians are making landfall on the British isles then we're all already full to the gills with radiation and dying of cancer anyway.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes Scotland's heroin disaster can be directly traced back to the families worst affected by Thatcher's economic reforms in the 80's, much as with the ex-industrial cities in the US that fell into ruin/drugs/crime for the same reasons. A shift over to "Big City" / financial market economics (that turned out to be a big ol ponzy scheme that's now starting to fall apart).

As for hospitals, as awful as they admittedly are, they're still better than most NHS England hospitals, and half of the services in NHS England hospitals aren't even run by NHS England any more ... but a scattershot of private entities funded by the NHS via outsourcing.

2 questions for you(hoping to be educated)

1..if its thatchers 80s to blame..why is scotlands drug problem 3 and a half times worse than the rest of the UK? Wouldnt it be similar.


2..what happened 30 years before the 80's, to cause the herion epidemic in the 80s?

[Cherie]

Good luck, hope it happens this time because if it doesn’t there will be another ref and then another until the SNP get the right result

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Good luck, hope it happens this time because if it doesn’t there will be another ref and then another until the SNP get the right result

She can not have another one,
Johnson Prime Minister
has said NO.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

She can not have another one,
Johnson Prime Minister
has said NO.

She will keep on until she gets her way

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by arista

She can not have another one,
Johnson Prime Minister
has said NO.

it's not up to Johnson, it's going to the supreme court

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's not up to Johnson, it's going to the supreme court

Ch4HDNews
said the Supreme Court will say No.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by arista

Ch4HDNews
said the Supreme Court will say No.

no-one can predict what the supreme court will decide

[LeatherTrumpet]

I mean surely English, Welsh and NI members can see why Scotland are looking at the current government and thinking

er no this cluster fcuck aint for me?

[James]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I mean surely English, Welsh and NI members can see why Scotland are looking at the current government and thinking

er no this cluster fcuck aint for me?

If Scotland was independent the politicians we would end up with would just be different versions of the same thing we have now, in my opinion.

If you want any evidence of that just remind yourself who was First Minister of Scotland until 2014. Is that guy actually any better than any UK politician you could care to mention?

However being part of a country always goes far beyond which politicians we elect and what the current politics are, or even any of the technical issues and benefits, of which there are many.

Keeping a country together is primarily about having a shared culture, national identity and history. About not setting one part against another.

If Scotland became independent then the UK would be a foreign country, and Scotland a foreign country to the UK, with everything that entails.

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Thatcher and Reagan's push for a flip to a neoliberal capitalist economy started a chain reaction that has lead us to where we are today; on the verge of a complete collapse of the global financial system. Yeah it was 32 years ago but that was just the start. We're reaping it right now.

The financial system partially collapsed back in 2008. I think the pandemic and the world's response to it is more responsible for the current economic troubles.

[arista]

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[arista]

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