[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by arista

CNN HD
showed a video of HAMAS
putting Rocket Launchers next to a school.

I dont know how anyone can defend these "people"

[arista]

Israeli Cabinet approves GAZA Ceasefire


All Media

From 2AM (their time) Friday

[Cherie]

Good news

[bitontheslide]

lets see if it holds

[Kizzy]

Good news but for what reason.. Threats from other nations to stop?

[Ammi]

…will this be a genuine opportunity for conversation…?…Seeing the images change to celebrations in the streets and relief on faces……

[LeatherTrumpet]

Interesting blog by Douglas Murray

There has been a huge amount of comment in recent days on the latest round of exchanges between Israel and the terrorists
of Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza. As usual whole slews of celebrities and other important figures on the international stage
have lamented the fact that Israel has put so much effort into the defence of its own citizens. As usual these ignoramuses cry
about 'disproportionate' death tolls. As though it would all be a lot fairer if Israel turned off the Iron Dome system for a night
or two and let the increasingly sophisticated weaponry of its enemies rain down, unmolested, upon its people.


But all this, and much more, has been rehearsed a thousand times before. From the UK there is only one interesting
observation that can be made about this conflict. Which is that it once again bears out a rule that has been observable for the
last couple of decades. The rule is this: It does not matter what the size or scale of any conflict involving Israel might be, the
reaction on the streets of the UK worsens each time.

This has been an observable rule throughout each of the interventions in Gaza, however long or short-lived they have been. It
was observable during the 2006 war with Hezbollah in Lebanon. Each time the eruption on British streets is worse than the
time before.

This exchange, for instance, has only lasted a couple of weeks so far and looks like coming to an end fairly soon. It has not
involved a land invasion of Gaza. It has involved rocket barrages fired at Israel from Gaza, responded to by Israeli precision
bombing against the launch sites and other targets that Hamas and co have built in among the Palestinian civilian population.
So by the standards of previous exchanges this has been minimal. Yet here are just a few of the things that have happened in
the UK as a result.

• Large scale protests outside the Israeli embassy in London involving openly anti-Semitic messages, attended by leading
• politicians of the opposition Labour party. Nine police officers injured by members of the crowd throwing missiles at the British
• police.
  
• Convoys of cars of pro-Palestinian activists drive through Jewish-populated areas of London, broadcasting out calls to '**** the
• Jews. Rape their daughters'.
  
• While her colleagues are being injured by the mob, a police officer in London promises protestors that she is on their side and
• says she is ´praying day and night´ to Allah. Eventually joining the crowds, raises her fist and chants 'Free Palestine'.
  
• Elsewhere on Britain's streets, Muslims call for Jihad.

I could go on. This is just a taster of how Britain — still technically meant to be under Covid restrictions — loses control when
a comparatively minor exchange occurs thousands of miles away. Naturally politicians of the mainstream on all sides condemn
the outright racism, bigotry, and intimidation. But they have no strategy —
how could they? — for dealing with the growing number of people in Britain
who find Israeli self-defence so appalling that it makes them call for violence,
and commit
violence, on the streets of Britain.

Israel can look after her own affairs. But with each conflict Israel gets dragged into the question arises: can Britain look after
hers?

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...efends-itself-

[Livia]

I see the police officer involved above, is under investigation. And rightly so.

[The Slim Reaper]

More self defence from the apartheid state.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Livia

I see the police officer involved above, is under investigation. And rightly so.

Hopefully she gets sacked.

[LeatherTrumpet]

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

More self defence from the apartheid state.

There have been fresh clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police in the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem, witnesses and police say.

Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld tells AFP news agency that Palestinians threw stones at officers, and that they had begun “riot” supressing measures in response.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There have been fresh clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police in the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem, witnesses and police say.

Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld tells AFP news agency that Palestinians threw stones at officers, and that they had begun “riot” supressing measures in response.

Scattered clashes broke out between Palestinian protesters and Israeli police at the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound in Jerusalem hours after a truce in Gaza went into effect, with police firing sun grenades and tear gas shortly after Friday prayers.

Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said officers deployed "riot" suppressing measure after being targeted by stone-throwing Palestinians.



DT

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There have been fresh clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police in the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in occupied East Jerusalem, witnesses and police say.

Israeli police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld tells AFP news agency that Palestinians threw stones at officers, and that they had begun “riot” supressing measures in response.

What are you saying? Israeli police shouldn't be near the the mosque. Israeli spokesman says...

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What are you saying? Israeli police shouldn't be near the the mosque. Israeli spokesman says...

What do you mean by israeli police shouldn't be near the mosque?

[Tom4784]

I always find it weird when they call it 'clashes between Israel and Palestine'. Palestine does not have an army, 'clashes...' should really be 'attacks on Palestinian citizens by Israeli soldiers'

[Livia]

How many rockets have been launched against Israel this week? Poor, innocent Palestine.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I always find it weird when they call it 'clashes between Israel and Palestine'. Palestine does not have an army, 'clashes...' should really be 'attacks on Palestinian citizens by Israeli soldiers'

And what should it be called when its the opposite?

[The Slim Reaper]

I'll ask the question again; what would brits do if we were invaded and occupied, walled in, watched as our children were murdered, bulldozed our houses, and refused not only our dignity, but our basic human rights?

If you are defending the actions of Israel, you are pro-apartheid, so own that and provide some justifications for it.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

How many rockets have been launched against Israel this week? Poor, innocent Palestine.

Well, if you can't distinguish between a terrorist organisation and the hundreds of innocent civilians killed in response by Israel then that's your own ignorance at play.

Terrorism is not an excuse to murder civilians and frequently defile human rights.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'll ask the question again; what would brits do if we were invaded and occupied, walled in, watched as our children were murdered, bulldozed our houses, and refused not only our dignity, but our basic human rights?

If you are defending the actions of Israel, you are pro-apartheid, so own that and provide some justifications for it.

i refer you back a page where your faux-apartheid claims were dismantled...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i refer you back a page where your faux-apartheid claims were dismantled...

I trust the UN and human rights agencies over your fairy tale right wing media.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I trust the UN and human rights agencies over your fairy tale right wing media.

There are few charges more grave. I should know: during 26 years as a
journalist in South Africa I investigated and reported the evil that was
apartheid. I saw Nelson Mandela secretly when he was underground, then
popularly known as the Black Pimpernel, and I was the first non-family
member to visit him in prison.

I have now lived in Israel for 17 years, doing what I can to promote dialogue
across lines of division. To an extent that I believe is rare, I straddle both
societies. I know Israel today – and I knew apartheid up close. And put
simply, there is no comparison between Israel and apartheid.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...partheid-state

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i refer you back a page where your faux-apartheid claims were dismantled...

That national review piece? You dismantled nothing.

I could just post Mandela talking about Palestine - who definitely knew what apartheid is/was all about, but why bother? I've asked a question about brits if you want to answer it in your own words.

[Tom4784]

Again, I trust the words of actual human rights agencies over opinions. I accept the truth regardless of what it is, I don't hunt around for opinion pieces that I like and confuse them for facts.