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The Slim Reaper · 21-05-2021, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There are few charges more grave. I should know: during 26 years as a
journalist in South Africa I investigated and reported the evil that was
apartheid. I saw Nelson Mandela secretly when he was underground, then
popularly known as the Black Pimpernel, and I was the first non-family
member to visit him in prison.

I have now lived in Israel for 17 years, doing what I can to promote dialogue
across lines of division. To an extent that I believe is rare, I straddle both
societies. I know Israel today – and I knew apartheid up close. And put
simply, there is no comparison between Israel and apartheid.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...partheid-state

This spamming BS needs to end.

Even the author of that piece still calls it an injustice.

If I go and paste Andrew Feinstein - who was a south African politician who lost 40-50 family members to the ww2 camps, saying its apartheid, then this goes nowhere.

Post your points or argument if you have one.

parmnion · 21-05-2021, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, I trust the words of actual human rights agencies over opinions. I accept the truth regardless of what it is, I don't hunt around for opinion pieces that I like and confuse them for facts.

What do you call the attacks by Palestinians on Israelis?

LeatherTrumpet · 21-05-2021, 02:24 PM

The Slim Reaper · 21-05-2021, 02:24 PM

I can even post ex IDF saying it's apartheid if we just want to ruin this tread into a game of numbers.

LeatherTrumpet · 21-05-2021, 02:26 PM

The Slim Reaper · 21-05-2021, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

What do you call the attacks by Palestinians on Israelis?

Under international law, you have the right to a armed response if you are an occupied nation.

Palestinians are desperate, they aren't fighting back for a laugh.

Punching down used to be frowned on not supported.

parmnion · 21-05-2021, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Under international law, you have the right to a armed response if you are an occupied nation.

Palestinians are desperate, they aren't fighting back for a laugh.

Punching down used to be frowned on not supported.

But by international law, they are not an occupied nation..so have no right, nor reason to pick up arms.

parmnion · 21-05-2021, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A decades long tactic by them.

LeatherTrumpet · 21-05-2021, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

A decades long tactic by them.

Its repulsive

The Slim Reaper · 21-05-2021, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

But by international law, they are not an occupied nation..so have no right, nor reason to pick up arms.

What? They are an occupied nation, and I don't think you'll find many people saying otherwise.

Israel is recognised as an occupier by the UN.

parmnion · 21-05-2021, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What? They are an occupied nation, and I don't think you'll find many people saying otherwise.

Israel is recognised as an occupier by the UN.

They camt be classed as being an occupied nation because the Israelis who settled there were not sent to occupy the areas, they moved at their own accord..

It's a bit like saying anyone moving to the uk is an occupier.

The Slim Reaper · 21-05-2021, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

They camt be classed as being an occupied nation because the Israelis who settled there were not sent to occupy the areas, they moved at their own accord..

It's a bit like saying anyone moving to the uk is an occupier.

This just isn't true, Parm. Sorry.

parmnion · 21-05-2021, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This just isn't true, Parm. Sorry.

That's what I've just read on wiki

parmnion · 21-05-2021, 02:57 PM

Israel has consistently argued that the settlements are not in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention since, in its view, Israeli citizens were neither deported nor transferred to the territories, and they cannot be considered to have become "occupied territory" since there had been no internationally recognized legal sovereign prior.[h

The Slim Reaper · 21-05-2021, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

Israel has consistently argued that the settlements are not in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention since, in its view, Israeli citizens were neither deported nor transferred to the territories, and they cannot be considered to have become "occupied territory" since there had been no internationally recognized legal sovereign prior.[h

Israel has consistently argued...

The problem is that anyone arguing to protect their actions after the fact will make all kind of justifications for their crimes.

You don't evict people, bulldoze their homes, and wall them in if it's a choice.

LeatherTrumpet · 21-05-2021, 04:01 PM

Good to hear Joe Biden say

1. USA stands shoulder to shoulder with Israel
2. He recognised Israel's need to defend itself from attack
3.He will help replenish Iron Dome system

Livia · 22-05-2021, 09:06 AM

Really glad that Biden has promised to help with the Iron Dome system. If it wasn't for that, Hamas would have slaughtered hundreds, maybe thousands of Israelis.

Tom4784 · 22-05-2021, 01:01 PM

Israel are a nuclear power, probably one of the most powerful countries in the middle east at this point. They don't need help protecting themselves when they just use Hamas as an excuse to oppress the Palestinian populace. Hamas is a terrorist organisation, Israel has a multifaceted military.

Honestly, it probably benefits Israel to keep Hamas around, it's the excuse and justification for their actions. Get rid of Hamas and it becomes harder to justify their abuse and violence of and towards the palestinian people. With Hamas though, they can keep the support of ignorant masses who think that human rights abuse is okay because brown person = terrorist.

arista · 22-05-2021, 05:07 PM

Massive Marches against Israel
in London & Manchester shown on Al JazeeraHD

ITV1HD news Showed it

Not shown on BBCnewsHD?
they are stuck up their own ass
All about BBC in the year of 1995

Zizu · 22-05-2021, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Massive Marches against Israel
in London & Manchester shown on Al JazeeraHD

ITV1HD news Showed it

Not shown on BBCnewsHD?
they are stuck up their own ass
All about BBC in the year of 1995

Massive marches / protests in Manchester .. that’s just a decent walk away from Bolton who have probably the highest rate of Covid infections in thud country .. smart thinkers obviously

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arista · 22-05-2021, 05:24 PM

Ch4HDnews went Live at the London march

arista · 22-05-2021, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

Massive marches / protests in Manchester .. that’s just a decent walk away from Bolton who have probably the highest rate of Covid infections in thud country .. smart thinkers obviously

Yes Covid gets ignored
strange.

arista · 22-05-2021, 05:38 PM

Ch4HDnews Live in Gaza
Matt Frei
said as you hear above the Israel Surveillance Drones
checking on the zone.

That is Logical.

arista · 22-05-2021, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

Really glad that Biden has promised to help with the Iron Dome system. If it wasn't for that, Hamas would have slaughtered hundreds, maybe thousands of Israelis.

Yes he has to keep funding it.