[Denver]

The viewers voted it as the moment of the year so hopefully it will shut the racists up

[Amy Jade]

It won't shut the racists up it will piss them off further so I am all for it.

[Oliver_W]

Luke Skywalker's appearance deserved it more, but the voters obviously preferred the little dance thing so what do I know

[LeatherTrumpet]

embarrassing stunt

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

It won't shut the racists up it will piss them off further so I am all for it.

I'm so happy for diversity
Like Ashley said it's more than an award and it's important .

[Cherie]

Microwavey should have won

[Gstar]

Anyway congrats Diversity, well deserved win for a powerful performance

[bitontheslide]

i thought the dance was 100% cringe material

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Microwavey should have won

Yes a better clip.

[Toy Soldier]

Well this is a bit of a complicated series of events. I thought the dance was GOOD, I don’t think that stand-alone it was anything award winning. The backlash against it was obviously ludicrous, and elevated it to a “cultural moment” and now it’s won a BAFTA off the back of that moment. I think it’s highly unlikely it would have won a BAFTA if the profile hadn’t been raised by the response at the time.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t deserving of an award though as the reaction to the dance is as much part of the story as the inspiration for the dance.

Hmmm.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well this is a bit of a complicated series of events. I thought the dance was GOOD, I don’t think that stand-alone it was anything award winning. The backlash against it was obviously ludicrous, and elevated it to a “cultural moment” and now it’s won a BAFTA off the back of that moment. I think it’s highly unlikely it would have won a BAFTA if the profile hadn’t been raised by the response at the time.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t deserving of an award though as the reaction to the dance is as much part of the story as the inspiration for the dance.

Hmmm.

100% agree.

The people who felt the need to complain about a dance on a TV show have now succeeded in gaining this award.for it.

Otherwise, it would have been like every other Diversity dance.

[bitontheslide]

is it not a panel that decides who wins bafta's, so it is not an indication of who the public deem most popular

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

is it not a panel that decides who wins bafta's, so it is not an indication of who the public deem most popular

This category was the only public vote

[Ammi]

….for me it isn’t complicated at all …it’s the very opposite of complicated as it’s a representation of support from a voting public…so much is always said with ‘displays’ such as this…that it’s the ‘wrong time’, the ‘wrong way’…too this, too that…too political….?…and etc , etc…but those are the very things that make the complicated when the dance was a simple show of support and a very emotional one because that’s what dance allows…it allows for that emotional…and by dance artists who felt the emotion of their dance and conveyed it to their audience in a very powerful way….and the voting public have in turn voiced their support in voting the BAFTA to Diversity…..

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Ammi

….for me it isn’t complicated at all …it’s the very opposite of complicated as it’s a representation of support from a voting public…

Complicated in the sense that “award winning” is usually an indicator of quality or impact whereas “popular with the public” is very rarely an indicator of actual quality.

In this case, as I said, taken in isolation the dance is good but I wouldn’t say “award winningly” good. The impact however of the events as a whole (the backlash, and the backlash to the backlash) contribute to a wider artistic “event” that may well be deserving of recognition. Art is often about provocation, after all.

That’s what makes it complicated. It’s not just a great dance piece winning an award, it’s a fairly mediocre dance piece winning an award because of events in the wider social context; but that’s OK - because the dance is intended as social commentary, so clearly worked as intended as a piece of art.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Gstar

Anyway congrats Diversity, well deserved win for a powerful performance

they definitely won the Bafta based on how powerful, impactful, memorable the performance truly was

[Ammi]

…as a dance piece, I don’t think it is mediocre, though….the dance steps themselves, the power of the dance is in the emotion felt and conveyed by the dancers …that’s what raises something from ‘mediocre’, I guess…when it’s applied to such skilled artists as this when anything and everything they perform is going to be pretty amazing because of their talent level…so pretty ‘award worthy’ if you like….but what for me raised it into an incredible and powerful routine wasn't ‘political’ …it was emotion…and that’s why it was simple and uncomplicated for me and maybe for some/many of the voters, who knows…for me the complication is placing things on it that just distract and detract from the actual dance …it was emotional and it was superb because it was something that perfectly and skilfully conveyed that emotion to many people…

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well this is a bit of a complicated series of events. I thought the dance was GOOD, I don’t think that stand-alone it was anything award winning. The backlash against it was obviously ludicrous, and elevated it to a “cultural moment” and now it’s won a BAFTA off the back of that moment. I think it’s highly unlikely it would have won a BAFTA if the profile hadn’t been raised by the response at the time.

That doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t deserving of an award though as the reaction to the dance is as much part of the story as the inspiration for the dance.

Hmmm.

Quite. The best way to show disapproval is silence. If the knuckle-draggers who complained had simply ignored it, it probably would have just sunk.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Complicated in the sense that “award winning” is usually an indicator of quality or impact whereas “popular with the public” is very rarely an indicator of actual quality.

Ehhh even awards and critical acclaim are pretty meaningless nowadays.

[LeatherTrumpet]

The murder of George Floyd was not a racist murder yet "DIversity" played it like it was (for likes)

embarrassing stunt

[Liam-]

Well deserved

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

It won't shut the racists up it will piss them off further so I am all for it.

this appears to be the case

[Tom4784]

Racists, the people so quick to call others snowflakes for not tolerating their racism, are getting twisted and upset over a dance? You love to see it.

I wish racists nothing but despair and misery, may they choke on it.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I wish racists nothing but despair and misery, may they choke on it.

To be fairrrr, I wish they'd let go of some of that misery and actually start being better people. The misery is only going to drive more hatefulness, misplacing blame for their misery onto anyone but themselves, the "othering" that's really at the heart of things like racism ("I am not happy - how can I make that someone else's fault?") and only makes it easier for them to draw in others. Family, offspring, or just other people looking for somewhere to direct their existential rage.

If we could just harness this energy and point it where it belongs (up, always, UP!) we might actually get somewhere.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fairrrr, I wish they'd let go of some of that misery and actually start being better people. The misery is only going to drive more hatefulness, misplacing blame for their misery onto anyone but themselves, the "othering" that's really at the heart of things like racism ("I am not happy - how can I make that someone else's fault?") and only makes it easier for them to draw in others. Family, offspring, or just other people looking for somewhere to direct their existential rage.

If we could just harness this energy and point it where it belongs (up, always, UP!) we might actually get somewhere.

I've long since given up on hoping that racists can change, they are limited people, driven only by hate, so at this point I only wish them suffering for that hate.