[Tom4784]

Woke this, woke that. Do people ever get bored of being scared of their little boogeyman?

[Marsh.]

Didn't realise we had such Blyton loyalists.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

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30 years from now I guarantee you things we found perfectly acceptable today will no longer be so

Isn't that always how things have worked, though? It's the same reason we don't have No blacks, no dogs, no Irish signs up in B&b's these days, or we don't see thick Irish and Paddy jokes on tv constantly.

Just trying to be a bit more inclusive isn't really the great crime it's pretended to be.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Isn't that always how things have worked, though? It's the same reason we don't have No blacks, no dogs, no Irish signs up in B&b's these days, or we don't see thick Irish and Paddy jokes on tv constantly.

Just trying to be a bit more inclusive isn't really the great crime it's pretended to be.

….it’s not a new thing either, for decades this is something that’s been discussed regarding her…and she was deemed as inappropriate to be depicted on coinage…so if you like, English Heritage are very much just on the catch-up in making changes to the plaques, which is what they’re looking to do overall and that seems reasonable …it feels again as though the media outrage is because of the mention of Black Lives Matter as I can’t recall much feeling in any direction when she wasn’t appropriate to be on the coin…

[bitontheslide]

enid blyton isnt being cancelled though, they are changing the wording on some signage. I dont see that as something being cancelled or are people suggestting that once something is written, it can never be amended?

if that were the case, there would still be memorials to jimmy saville

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Isn't that always how things have worked, though? It's the same reason we don't have No blacks, no dogs, no Irish signs up in B&b's these days, or we don't see thick Irish and Paddy jokes on tv constantly.

Just trying to be a bit more inclusive isn't really the great crime it's pretended to be.

that is completely different from fiction which was not offensive at the time, the above was always offensive? like no one was railing against Enid we all enjoyed her books, i dont think the black or Irish looked at the signs and enjoyed them

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Ammi

….it’s not a new thing either, for decades this is something that’s been discussed regarding her…and she was deemed as inappropriate to be depicted on coinage…so if you like, English Heritage are very much just on the catch-up in making changes to the plaques, which is what they’re looking to do overall and that seems reasonable …it feels again as though the media outrage is because of the mention of Black Lives Matter as I can’t recall much feeling in any direction when she wasn’t appropriate to be on the coin…

Just this whole outrage machine towards decency is really odd. If wokeness or political correctness wasn't a thing, it would have no effect on how I live my days, or post, or watch tv, or anything else, and I think those that are worried by decency are basically telling on themselves.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

that is completely different from fiction which was not offensive at the time, the above was always offensive? like no one was railing against Enid we all enjoyed her books, i dont think the black or Irish looked at the signs and enjoyed them

It shows that a societies attitudes to right and wrong evolves over time. I'm sure the people forced to remove those signs still felt exactly the same way, and were probably talking about how they couldn't even say they didn't like the darkies and the micks anymore. The worlds gone mad

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Just this whole outrage machine towards decency is really odd. If wokeness or political correctness wasn't a thing, it would have no effect on how I live my days, or post, or watch tv, or anything else, and I think those hat are worried by decency are basically telling on themselves.

…the objection to taking the knee seemed to be that it was injecting ‘political’…I mean it wasn’t for those practising it but that’s the interpretation for some…and yet, ‘woke/leftie and now extreme leftie’ by the same voices is a political being injected into any changes into anything that’s simply said…yeah, that feels more appropriate for these times and a compromise which everyone was hoping and looking for anyway…it’s not political and it’s not cancelling anything and it’s not removing anything in terms of who she was, it’s giving a more complete history….

[LeatherTrumpet]

there is little point trying to compare Enid Blyton with Saville or the sign "no blacks or Irish"



does anyone actually know what Enid wrote that is now so offensive to the twits at EH?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there is little point trying to compare Enid Blyton with Saville or the sign "no blacks or Irish"



does anyone actually know what Enid wrote that is now so offensive to the twits at EH?

It wasn't compared though, I used them to show how societies evolve towards inclusivity, even if we go backwards a few steps every now and then, and sometimes we have to drag the mouth-breathing, knuckle-draggers along, even when they don't want to come

[arista]

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there is little point trying to compare Enid Blyton with Saville or the sign "no blacks or Irish"



does anyone actually know what Enid wrote that is now so offensive to the twits at EH?

i was pointing out that adjusting signage is perfectly reasonable, nothing is ever permanent. Don't even think about cancelling my argument

[LeatherTrumpet]

Enid Blyton is known for her children's books that confront class, gender and
racial issues. In The Little Black Doll (1937) her main character, Sambo, wants
to be washed white, or pink, by the rain. In her book The Three Golliwogs
(1944) the main characters are called Golly, Woggie and N1gger




I had the golliwog book as a child

http://www.wiki.ncac.org/The_Little_...hree_Golliwogs

[Marsh.]

"Confronting" class, gender and racial issues? Or containing class, gender and racial issues?

[Ammi]

…it’s absolutely crazy that we cant just enjoy our racism in peace…

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s absolutely crazy that we cant just enjoy our racism in peace…

or maybe concentrate on actual racism and not constantly dilute the message with exercises in virtue signaling and then moan that racism still exists?

[Ammi]

‘For everyone using the ‘don’t judge by modern standards’ line - Enid Blyton had a manuscript rejected by Macmillan in 1960 on the grounds of xenophobic content.’

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Enid Blyton is known for her children's books that confront class, gender and
racial issues. In The Little Black Doll (1937) her main character, Sambo, wants
to be washed white, or pink, by the rain. In her book The Three Golliwogs
(1944) the main characters are called Golly, Woggie and N1gger




I had the golliwog book as a child

http://www.wiki.ncac.org/The_Little_...hree_Golliwogs

Oh. This is bad. Can't believe what views people once had.

That said I do love the famous five stories so they should stick around

But stuff like this yeah it isn't right

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or maybe concentrate on actual racism and not constantly dilute the message with exercises in virtue signaling and then moan that racism still exists?

Talking about racism dilutes the message against racism?

But talking about racism isn't a positive because it's virtue signalling?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Enid Blyton is known for her children's books that confront class, gender and
racial issues. In The Little Black Doll (1937) her main character, Sambo, wants
to be washed white, or pink, by the rain. In her book The Three Golliwogs
(1944) the main characters are called Golly, Woggie and N1gger




I had the golliwog book as a child

http://www.wiki.ncac.org/The_Little_...hree_Golliwogs

Never heard of these book, we were all about The famous five and the secret 7

[bitontheslide]

i remember those books, i thought they were removed from "service" a long, long time ago

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Never heard of these book, we were all about The famous five and the secret 7

i mean she wrote like 700!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

Oh. This is bad. Can't believe what views people once had.

That said I do love the famous five stories so they should stick around

But stuff like this yeah it isn't right

…yeah, I think that’s the amendments to the plaques, giving more complete information in terms of heritage/her legacy it gives an accurate truth which doesn’t take away anything you enjoyed or enjoy about her…

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah, I think that’s the amendments to the plaques, giving more complete information in terms of heritage/her legacy it gives an accurate truth which doesn’t take away anything you enjoyed or enjoy about her…

No

I think the plaques do not get altered. There is an app that you use when you see a plaque that gives you all the details about the person who got the plaque

its that which they have altered because a man (drug-dealer and woman abuser) was killed by a police officer in the USA in a non-racist motivated incident.